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The New Way For Ordinary People To Build Wealth - Tony Robbins - #1153

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PodcastModern Wisdom
Publisher/creatorChris Williamson
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About this episode

Tony Robbins is a life and business coach, entrepreneur and #1 New York Times Bestselling author.

Christopher Zook is an investor, founder and chairman.

How do you protect and grow your money when the markets feel so unpredictable? Tony Robbins has written extensively about money and investing, and he’s back with practical advice for everyday investors. So which strategies hold up in turbulent times, what costly mistakes should you avoid, and how can you make smarter decisions today to build a more secure financial future?

Expect to learn the new strategies of investing from some of the nation's most successful funds, what Tony’s new philosophy and formula on investing is, which investing advice people still repeat today that is completely outdated, how normal people can get investing access to some of the world's fastest-growing companies, if we are in a genuine market bubble and much more…

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Americans are about four percent of the world’s population yet reportedly created nearly half its new millionaires in 2025. You’d already written three money books. Why another?

I never planned to write even one. I love live interaction, not sitting alone writing. But after 2008, I was pissed: a small group nearly wrecked the economy and seemed to get paid more. I went to fifty extraordinary investors—Dalio, Icahn, Buffett, the lot—to ask whether ordinary people could still win.

The answer was simple, not easy: protect the downside, be tax-aware, diversify properly. The best people seek asymmetric bets. If I risk a dollar, I want plausible five-dollar upside. Paul Tudor Jones can be wrong repeatedly and still win because his losses stay tiny.

Ray Dalio gave me the organizing idea: own roughly eight to twelve investments that truly don’t move together. That can cut risk without giving up upside. It’s harder now, with stocks and bonds able to fall together, so I looked beyond public markets to private equity, credit, and real estate.

So is putting everything in an S and P 500 fund a mistake? Dollar-cost averaging is the old reliable wisdom, but there may be return streams people miss.

No, the S and P is not bad. It just cannot be the whole plan. A guy told me he owned six Magnificent Seven stocks and was diversified. Dude—those names move together. When big tech gets hit, they can all sink together. You have to live through the downside.

Think of a golf shop. Sell only sunscreen and you need sun; sell only umbrellas and you need rain. Sell both, and you have a chance in either weather. Your portfolio needs assets that work across strong or weak economies, inflation or disinflation, high rates or low rates. In a panic, supposedly varied holdings get correlated.

Those seven giant companies recently made up about a third of the S and P, versus a prior peak around seventeen percent for a comparable group. We own public stocks too; this isn’t either-or. But there are fewer listed companies than decades ago, with more money chasing them, and prices can outrun value.

Private investing sounds intimidating, but if you own a house, you understand a private asset. Nobody posts its value every day; you learn the price when you sell. A local dry cleaner is private too. Its fortunes depend chiefly on its business, not every Federal Reserve twitch. Let returns come from multiple sources.

Private equity has beaten public equities over decades by our research, but access is the question. Wealthy families had a different menu. I met Christopher as an investor, then became a partner; we’re trying to let more people participate in ownership, not just grab a little seat at the table.

The SEC changed rules so certain alternative funds can accept non-accredited investors, sometimes from a $2,500 minimum. A Labor Department proposal could make alternatives easier to offer in workplace retirement plans. That’s potentially massive, but people still need to understand what they own.

Sports is a fun example. Teams aren’t driven by interest rates like stocks. They have multigenerational fans, local market power, media rights, and more than tickets and hot dogs. Don’t bet on the horse; own part of the racetrack.

In 2005, only fourteen of America’s hundred most-watched live programs were sports; by 2025, ninety-six were. You can stream dramas whenever you want, but games remain appointment viewing. We invest across franchises rather than make one trophy-team wager, and we buy opportunities at prices we believe make sense.

What looks safe but may be more dangerous than people realize? And who shouldn’t be an active investor?

Everything has a role, even something that loses often but pays when the rest hurts. The question is your stomach. If watching an investment get cut in half makes you bail, don’t own that much. Leverage is brutal because it can remove your ability to wait. Most people’s guts are less tough than they imagine.

Bitcoin is a reminder: people thought it would always hedge, then tech investors needed cash and sold it too. Correlations surprise you. What scares me more is young people treating sports betting as retirement strategy. That is not investing; you’re praying for luck. Own the enterprise if you can. Don’t confuse a wager with a plan.

I use three buckets: security, steady lower-risk things that create peace of mind; growth, where upside and downside are bigger; and the dream bucket, experiences and comforts that make life feel like life. Timing, risk tolerance, and cash flow determine the mix. Don’t raid security because somebody screams, ‘Bitcoin!’

Compounding looks boring, then gets crazy late in the game. But don’t make yourself miserable getting there. I’ve watched people build fortunes, refuse to take anything off the table, then get wiped out because they felt bulletproof. Sustain wealth by asking where downside is limited and upside disproportionate.

Abundance is useful when it means you’re not paralyzed by fear. It’s dangerous when it means you disrespect risk. Our question for twenty-five years has been: can we live with the worst case? With Icon, we knew it might go to zero; we accepted that because the upside could be transformational. Risk will smack you in the head if you don’t respect it.

Enjoy some of the damn journey. Experiences bring more joy than another object, giving changes you, and small upgrades create quality of life. Buy somebody coffee. Take your kids somewhere. Free up time by paying someone who enjoys the task you hate. Time is scarce, and we give enormous amounts of it away to screens.

Money as a scorecard is just a number. Spend well and you can create opportunity, family memories, or support a cause. It needs purpose. The bigger the why, the more staying power you have.

AI is changing investing and life. We’re facing acceleration from AI, quantum, robotics, and defense technology. Companies need help adopting agents that remove busywork, not simply throw people away. Millions will need rapid reskilling, even if the long-term opportunity is huge.

AI needs power—lots of it. We support every form of energy because data centers and billions of people improving their living standards are raising demand. Supply has not kept up. That creates investment opportunity and a real infrastructure problem.

When change makes people freeze, clarify and rank your outcomes, generate three options, list consequences, estimate probabilities, mitigate risks, then resolve. Put it on paper, not in the theater of your head. You build decision muscles by deciding.

That is investing exactly. Know what you want, what volatility you can tolerate, and what percentage is at stake. If a total loss would hurt but not destroy you, you can assess it coolly. Emotion is the enemy; a repeatable process helps you stay in the seat.

That’s the place to land: more change is coming, but panic isn’t a strategy. Know what matters, spread the risk, make decisions you can live with, and remember the point of money is eventually to turn it into a life.

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