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“Fame Is Not a Business Model”: Celebrity Brands Exposed

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Publisher/creatorSean Frank, Mike Beckham, Matt Bertulli, and Jason Panzer
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What separates billion-dollar celebrity brands from total flops Sean, Matt, and Katy Mimari (CEO of Caden Lane) break down why some partnerships become massive exits like Rhode and Skims, while others like The Honest Company and Kylie Cosmetics struggle to survive. They dive deep into deal structures, red flags to watch for, and the real math behind putting famous names into your brand. The crew debates whether fame equals influence (spoiler: it doesn’t), why alcohol brands have an unfair advantage, and how Gordon Ramsay became the blueprint for celebrity integration. Sean shares the inside story of his MKBHD partnership at Ridge — including how they structured the deal, why YouTubers beat traditional celebrities for DTC brands, and whether Guy Fieri might be showing up in a Ridge ad soon. Powered By Fulfil https://bit.ly/3pAp2vu Richpanel https://9ops.co/richpanel Northbeam https://www.northbeam.io/ Saras Analytics https://bit.ly/9OP-Ytdesc Postscript https://9ops.co/postscript Aftersell ⁠ https://9ops.co/4i3bb5 ⁠ Operators Newsletter https://9operators.com/

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My take up front: celebrity brands win either because distribution carries them without elite marketing, or because the operating team is flat-out excellent.

Fame gives you a loud launch, but it’s not a business model, and most fall down on staying power.

It still has to be a strong, authentic product, like skims coming from Kim altering shapewear to actually fit.

Welcome to the Operator’s Podcast; we’re a community for builders, so listen in and grab the newsletter if you want more, and now let’s get to it.

Katie’s back, we’re talking celebrity brands, and first a quick check-in on how you’re holding up.

I’m deep in the holiday tunnel and running on fumes, but the year beat last year; Q4 was soft and I’m bullish on Q1.

How do you both scale for spikes, since one of you fabricates and the other fulfills in-house?

Our peak is January to March when CPMs ease, so we preload inventory from yearlong trends and pivot holiday merchandising without being hostage to Black Friday.

Owning manufacturing keeps inventory lean but caps peak output, so shifts, materials, and holidays become your ceiling, which is why we pre-make best sellers and cut off early if we’re behind.

Personalization forced earlier deadlines for us too, but those last pre-Christmas shipping days are massive, with a long run of million dollar days.

Meta broke for us in 2024, so we rebuilt with more top-of-funnel and heavy YouTube, and it paid off.

I just want fewer surprise platform changes next year, because too many breaks killed momentum.

We finally went omnichannel with Faire and landed Scheels, which is exciting, even if wholesale is still weirdly manual and needy.

Scheels is great because stores act like owners, compete, and actually sell, and commission on the floor drives service.

I’m optimistic on ad platforms improving, rates easing, housing thawing, and I’m launching new giftable categories for the first time in years.

Macro is hard to call, but if refunds rise and weekly paychecks get a lift, the middle will spend, and that helps all of us.

Back to celebrity brands: Rhode sold for a billion, Fenty and skims are juggernauts, while lookalikes like Haus Beauty and Item Beauty fizzled, and Honest shows how a name and lawsuits can collide with bloated headcount.

Skims signals durable operations and leadership, not just a famous launch, which is where most stumble.

You can’t fake product quality or authenticity; one bad formula and the internet receipts stick.

Alcohol is all about doors and cases, so celebrity awareness can be enough to hit the threshold for a strategic to scale you.

In CPG creator plays like Feastables, fame is the engine, while skims could likely stand without Kim thanks to fit, ops, and growth muscle.

The real test is whether the brand still works when the star steps back.

Luxury outliers like The Row feel different because the founders stay behind the curtain and build like a proper house, slow and real.

Female-led brands dominate because women drive most spending and, lately, much of pop culture attention.

Pick people with influence in the category, not just fame; creators who live on social outperform stars who barely post.

If the celebrity shows up once a year, you get a blip; when they’re everywhere like Gordon with HexClad, the brand compounds.

Use one-off celebrity cameos as a hook and test before you even think equity.

That’s why I’m exploring a TV face for a big spot, purely to grab attention on screen, while new-media creators keep our digital engine humming.

For parenting brands, the shelf life of a mom-celebrity can be short as kids age, which makes fit tricky.

On deal structure, there’s a big difference between a true founder owning a big stake and a brand slapping a name on for a tiny slice.

Lower your expectations when a celebrity team reaches out, clarify deliverables, and assume money flows brand to celebrity unless you’re the rare exception.

We chose Marquez because he loves the product, lives in our category, and adds value across videos, creative, product, and retail leverage.

Why not just pay for placements instead of equity?

You can buy ads and usage rights, but board input, weekly product calls, and long-term alignment are hard to price, so a cash plus equity loop made sense.

That product feedback and timing with big reviews is real leverage for launches.

Dealing directly without an agent kept it human and flexible, and the risk cuts both ways, so never make the star your Hail Mary.

He boosted YouTube performance and gave you multiple ways to win, which is the bar if they’re touching the cap table.

We tested with sponsored videos first, saw it work, then leaned in.

If you’re hunting a partner, start with the channel you need to grow and find the creator who already owns that audience.

Alright, we covered what works, what doesn’t, how to structure deals, and why we picked a creator operator fit, and we’ll report back next year on whether the TV cameo was worth it; grab the newsletter and we’ll see you soon.

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