About this episode
Dr Andrew Huberman is a neuroscientist, Associate Professor at the Stanford University School of Medicine, podcaster and author.
What does it take to live a healthy, thriving life? In his upcoming book, Dr Andrew Huberman brings together his defining work on health and wellness, covering everything from exercise and supplements to sleep and morning sunlight. So which protocols make the biggest difference, and how can we put them into a daily practice?
Expect to learn how to detox from microplastics, how to get rid of your brain fog, the tips and tricks to help focus better, what the best ways to feel present are without meditation, the 4 steps to break any bad habit, Andrew’s thoughts on nicotine and its pros and cons, if we are in the midst of an overoptimisation wave and much more…
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People in the UK and Ireland coming to my October shows, send me the problems and properly unhinged stories you want unpacked. You might end up onstage while we work through what you’ve done with your life. But first: loads of people are foggy and flat through the day. What actually helps?
Make the opening hour activating and the closing hour calming. Get bright light, preferably sunlight, hydrate, use caffeine if you use it, and move early; at night lower the lights, ease off screens and stimulation, and protect sleep. It won’t make you invincible, but it gives you the best chance of being alert and less reactive tomorrow.
Life is a tug-of-war between bottom-up impulses and top-down control. The cookie, scroll, urge to react—that’s one side; your prefrontal cortex saying, “Wait,” is the other. Train it with hard things, but also Andy Stumpf’s “microsucks”: pick up trivial trash, choose the slightly harder option, do the small rep. You’re practicing resistance to friction.
Of course Andy calls them microsucks. He’s a bloke with a helicopter who leaps out of planes from stupid heights.
Hard things build your ability to do hard things, and make beauty more available. Don’t feed every bit of barbed-wire internet drama; put energy into something real, including the thing you avoid because you fear being bad at it. Taste isn’t popularity or mere preference. Ask what you think is good before the crowd tells you; click-optimized platforms drift toward extreme, salacious junk.
If you endlessly split-test for attention, the destination is basically a porn site.
Brain fog is often trouble accessing focus. Sleep is foundational, and exercise can raise alertness-supporting catecholamines for hours if you don’t annihilate yourself. Make real attempts, make errors, tolerate the agitation, then let sleep and time remodel the circuits. Test yourself rather than rereading: find the gap, look it up, close it again. Don’t only train what you’re good at; difficult learning is part of getting smarter.
Stress seems to be quietly wrecking a lot of lives. What’s the fastest useful protocol?
Do a deliberate long exhale. Better: two fuller inhales, then empty your lungs slowly—the physiological sigh. It can slow the heart rapidly and shift you toward calm. Repeated intentional exhales may improve heart-rate variability, but this doesn’t replace fitness, sleep, or the rest of a sane life.
I’ve become evangelical about resonance breathing because feedback makes it precise. After a few minutes, the feeling is weirdly like having a drink. For lasting change rather than a momentary state, the claim I heard was at least around twelve minutes.
I’m buying one; don’t gift it to me. Optimization should mean handling what’s on your plate better, not becoming dependent on a ritual. Light, breathing, exercise, and sleep should strengthen top-down control so you can pay attention to people you love and ignore bullshit you cannot control.
For learning, aim for alert anticipation: not frantic, not sleepy. Narrow the tunnel—you can’t deeply read while running circuits about your phone, heartbeat, and what someone thinks. After roughly ninety minutes of demanding focus, feeling cooked is normal. Take the break. Presence works similarly: ask what you can smell, how many cans are here, how loud the kids are. Then choose what you’ll do or say.
The over-optimization objection is fair. Another stack of rules can make people fragile, like they need a two-hour rain dance before functioning. But sometimes you’re digging out of a hole. After my nightclub twenties, I did sunlight, journaling, breathwork, flashcards—the lot. It created momentum, then the habits became less precious.
Principles matter more than collecting protocols. Missing sunlight or caffeine on a travel day shouldn’t mean collapsing into tears on a plane. Shut up: gratitude over whining. Suit up: prepare yourself. Show up: serve a real role. Then once daily, step out of stimulus-response and ask what your deeper wish needs now.
For difficult memories: acknowledge what happened, feel it safely, gradually recall it with less charge, then turn it into contribution or beauty. You can’t leapfrog the middle. Writing about the hard event for fifteen minutes on four separate days may help. With microplastics, reduce exposure where practical—glass rather than plastic, don’t heat food in plastic—but don’t treat catchy headlines as settled fact.
Nicotine can create alert-but-calm, but raises blood pressure and is highly addictive. Repeated daily pouches may just relieve withdrawal. I left peptides, hormones, and most psychedelics out of the book because anecdotes aren’t proof. I’m intrigued by supported clinical psychedelic work, but DMT especially worries me; I know people who seem genuinely weirder afterward.
I did a thousand days off alcohol and five hundred off caffeine. I wanted proof I didn’t need chemical scaffolding to hold my life up. And a lot of existential energy gets answered by family—yes, plus two golden retrievers. I want a dog that’s fluffy, cuddly, and absolutely no threat to me cognitively.
Resourcing people you love is deeply satisfying, though presence matters more than earning. Kids can fulfill a sense of duty while bringing real complications; it’s messy, but not trivial meaning. Cardio isn’t zone two versus VO2 max: do a longer moderate session, near-max effort, and a harder middle-distance session. For durability, do small mobility and strength work so you can keep doing the big stuff.
There’s a lonely chapter when you’ve outgrown your old crowd but haven’t found the new one. You’re tempted to look back because the elevator feels empty.
Then you arrive among people doing cool things who endured that loneliness too. It’s not that you’re better than old friends; it’s different. Decline what no longer serves you without becoming smug at Thanksgiving. Thank you for hosting me, backing the book, and your friendship.
Your book is fantastic. Don’t skip writing down the memory that still disturbs you: get it onto the page, even if it’s uncomfortable. You’re awesome, mildly shortsighted, and I’ll see you in New York.
Thank you, Chris. You’re a gentleman, a scholar, and a beast. Big love, goodbye my beauties.