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How to Take Control of Your Emotions - Joe Hudson - #1045

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PodcastModern Wisdom
Publisher/creatorChris Williamson
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Joe Hudson is a coach, entrepreneur and a podcast host. Why do we struggle to feel our emotions fully? A rich life requires openness, but that openness comes with the risk of pain. So how do we embrace the full spectrum of human emotion, even when it leaves us vulnerable to being hurt? Expect to learn why it’s hard to live in the real world with an open heart, why so many people struggle to make good decisions and how to make better ones, how to break the loops of rumination, how to develop a good relationship with your intuition, what the largest misconceptions about overwhelm is, why people struggle to let go of imposter syndrome and how to break free from it, and much more… Timestamps: (0:00) Is Living With an Open Heart Too Difficult? (11:12) How Does Heartbreak Change Us? (19:07) Why Does Pain Make Us Resist? (26:10) Learning to Accept Unconditional Love (36:04) Are You Angry or Just Sad? (40:02) What Healthy Boundaries Really Look Like (46:03) Why Do We Suffer in Silence? (52:53) Aligning Your Heart and Actions (01:03:02) How to Build Real Self-Confidence (01:10:45) Why You Should Trust Your Emotions (01:26:52) How Joe Has Switched Up His Content (01:32:19) Does Loving Your Work Lead to Success? (01:37:11) What All Arguments Really Come Down To (01:44:57) Efficiency vs Awareness: What Matters More? (01:50:34) What’s Next for Joe? Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠ New pricing since recording: Function is now just $365, plus get $25 off at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠ Learn more about Joe's work: Free self-assessment: assessment.artofaccomplishment.com Art of Accomplishment: artofaccomplishment.com Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠ Email: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Joe Hudson, welcome back. It feels different seeing you after a week inside your world at the retreat—no psychedelics, just a strong container and practices that somehow hit deeper than I expected.

We’ve actually got data showing big drops in negative self-talk and neurosis after the work, and more researchers are lining up to study it.

My first question after leaving was, is it hard to live with an open heart in the real world? In your container it felt intense but safe; outside, even a quiet Thai massage lobby fried my circuits—full vulnerability hangover.

It’s usually harder not to stay open. Our brains warn we’ll get hurt, but the real pain is a closed heart; most of us got love mixed with guilt, criticism, or obligation, so we crave it and fear it at the same time.

Patterns persist through three moves: we attract them, we manipulate to recreate them, and we map neutral moments as proof they’re true; after a week together those loops stop, and normal life can feel like an Etch A Sketch wiped clean.

From the outside, transformational talk sounds unhinged, and I worried I did too, but my simple shift was realizing I don’t need to hide my sensitivity; being less spiky might actually help me and everyone around me.

That’s the joy of the work. And on heartbreak—it’s not the enemy; each crack expands our capacity to love, as long as we stop resisting the pain.

Don’t people shatter and close off? Isn’t that trauma?

It happens when we avoid the pain; going into it is like training the muscle—hard, but it frees you, just like meeting depression directly lowers its future grip, and parenting teaches this by crushing your false identity in the best way.

So what does going in actually look like?

Depression is brutal self-talk, repressed anger and sadness, frayed connection, and a nervous system fighting itself; turn toward it with curiosity—what’s true, what’s mine, what was unsafe to be—and give those parts air so they can finally heal.

What do you tell the person who’s convinced but paralyzed by fear?

Of course you’re scared; I’m right here. You don’t need fixing to be worthy—like the Quaker who wordlessly washed a friend’s feet, love that contradicts the inner critic changes everything, and behavior follows.

I keep seeing that our standout traits mask inner lack—beautiful because they feel ugly, successful because they feel like failures, known because they fear abandonment.

Often a necessary detour: the mind chases money, power, fame until it sees there’s no there there, and only then does the real work begin.

Can we speed-run the unteachable lessons?

We can reveal true north so you can’t unsee it; unconditional love—whether from self, a parent, or a friend—removes half the mines in the field, as I learned after eight seconds of clarity on a silent retreat pulled me for 15 years.

John Bellion told me a story: he built a hometown show around his family, walks off stage beaming, and his son says, when’s Dad done singing so he can play with me; that’s unconditional love—he wants you, not the crowd.

When you trace any want—wealth, safety, status—it ends in connection and acceptance; that’s what we’re actually chasing.

Your daughter’s bathroom moment blew my mind—she cried, and you asked if she was angry; she said sadness got her care, anger got her hit, so she learned to turn anger inward.

We shame anger and kink it into passive-aggression or outbursts, but clean anger is just action and boundaries; when it rises, I know a boundary is needed.

Boundaries are everywhere now, sometimes weaponized; what does a good one look like?

A real boundary is about what I’ll do, not controlling you, and it opens my heart because I’m no longer seeing you as my oppressor; over time, they soften as self-trust grows.

Why do we choose silent suffering over being seen?

Shame tells us we’re wrong at the core, and vulnerability cures it; speak what you hide, be loved in it, and the shame composts into a better life.

You say the smoke signals of avoiding emotion are looping thoughts, binary choices, and harsh judgments.

Fear drives either-or thinking, judgment hides a feeling, and rumination is problem-solving in service of not feeling; when we allow any outcome emotionally, decisions become obvious.

Explain decisions and emotions.

We decide to feel safe, right, or not rejected; if you open your heart to all emotions, choices get simple, and you can be courageously disagreeable without becoming a jerk.

Here’s the rub: moving from action-first congruence to open-hearted living creates a valley—old results dip, inner alignment isn’t locked yet.

The old results weren’t enough or you wouldn’t be here; the real shift is doing big things without an inner war, and sensitivity just makes the inner battle visible so you can stop fighting yourself.

How do you walk into a world speaking different emotional languages without feeling ridiculous?

Notice where you judge yourself, claim it—yeah, I’m emotional—and lead with calm body authority; if you’re triggered, it’s not intuition, and if it’s a little scary, it probably is, so act on it and rack the reps.

Alex Hormozi says the life you want sits behind a few scary conversations; you do one, then you machine-gun the rest.

Exactly—line up the hard actions and take them, and expect some people to fall away; that’s the Lonely Chapter before your new circle forms.

I wrote about that: people hand you your old costume, and reinvention threatens their mental sketch of you; how much does scene-setting help?

It’s efficient everywhere—friends, teams, relationships; share context so people can join your why, especially your top lieutenants, or you’ll feel alone making complex calls.

I botched this with my team after an upload error; instead of leading with process, I should’ve said, ow, I loved that piece and I’m gutted people might miss it.

Do both—show the human ow and draw the boundary about quality; open-hearted and ruthless aren’t opposites.

Intervention time: did you brief your team on the YouTube vertical we discussed—master coach reacts, critiques, assesses?

We recorded three, two worked, and I even had fun; we iterate on everything, and Tara may be the better face for reactions.

Curation is king—you can’t polish a bad pick; title it master coach and choose scenes with emotional signal.

I broke down a fight from This Is 40 and loved it, and that Scottie Scheffler clip about loving practice nails the secret—love the doing, not the win that fades in two minutes.

Your daughter’s billion-dollar idea line—only keep what you wouldn’t sell for a billion—captures that perfectly; James Clear says craving outcomes without loving the process guarantees disappointment.

And let yourself fully feel wanting before you sprint into shoulds; unresisted wanting often reveals itself as love, and the system relaxes.

On relationships, you say most fights are I don’t feel seen, I’m trying to change you, or I need to defend myself.

That’s the shame hot potato—trade it for being seen, dropping defense, or stopping the makeover project, because trying to change someone is withholding love and mirrors a part you reject in yourself.

If shoulds don’t create change, what does?

Wants do—kids stand and walk from desire, while shoulds are dirty fuel that kill joy; keep desire alive and growth sustains.

So how do I tell the difference between a healthy stretch and a tyrannical should?

When a should shows up, I dig for the want beneath it. I listed twenty fun ways to move, tried them in a month, and pickleball hooked me, so training stopped needing force.

Everyone chases optimization, but doing it without awareness is a quick path to burnout.

We confuse speed with efficiency; true efficiency is results for the energy you spend. A CEO I spoke with kept firefighting and chasing inbox dopamine instead of hiring leverage, which is how you move toward mastery, doing great work with less effort.

What do people misunderstand about overwhelm? It feels everywhere.

It is usually stuck feelings plus an important action you keep postponing. We blame having too much to do, but it is often unfelt excitement, fear, or anger, and avoidance of what you know matters, like rest or a hard talk.

Is that why time feels scarce?

When time compresses, only what matters gets done, which proves you can always focus on the few things that count. The best CEOs aim at the key domino and accept some chaos, which echoes the idea in The One Thing.

Joe Hudson, you’re fantastic. I’m bracing for your wave ahead with the book, YouTube, and courses, so strap in.

You actually spooked me with your story about the delivery driver; in my world he might hop out asking for a quick coaching session.

People tell me they loved a recent episode, then move on. With you they will bring real problems on the spot, which is why I respect your clear I am not your guru energy that keeps focus on the mission, not the persona.

It does not work if people give up their own authority, so if someone tries to take it, do not trust that.

Thank you, and a playful fuck you to Joe Hudson on Twitter. If you want new reading ideas, grab my Modern Wisdom Reading List at chriswillx dot com slash books.

Appreciate you, until next time.

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