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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

3 & Out - Arch Manning vs Dante Moore, Deep Dive into 2027 QB Class, Rookie OTA Storylines, NFL Rookie Fits & Sleepers

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On this episode of 3 & Out , John Middlekauff is joined by Jackson Groff for a deep dive into the future of college football and the loaded 2027 quarterback class. The guys discuss the growing pressure surrounding Arch Manning and whether the expectations tied to his name are already shaping the draft conversation years in advance. They also break down the debate between Dante Moore and Arch Manning, evaluating their skill sets, upside, and who could ultimately emerge as the top quarterback prospect. Plus, a look at other rising 2027 QB names to know, including CJ Carr and John Mateer, and how the next wave of quarterback talent is shaping up across the country. John and Jackson also discuss Notre Dame’s upcoming schedule, the importance of the USC rivalry, and why those marquee matchups still matter in the changing landscape of college football. And with NIL continuing to dominate the conversation, the guys react to rumors surrounding a potential NIL salary cap and what it could mean for recruiting, roster building, and the future of the sport. All that and much more on this episode of 3 & Out . Follow John on  Twitter , and Instagram for the latest.  All lines provided by  Hard Rock Bet #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What’s up, my people—hope you had a great Mother’s Day. I recorded this Friday so I could hang with family Sunday, and Jackson and I are nerding out on ball today: a look-ahead to the 2027 quarterback draft and how these rookies fit as mini‑camps kick off.

I’m just starting my college prep, but the storylines are already wild. Let’s talk the pressure cooker for the 2027 quarterbacks, because recent drafts proved it’s all about what you put on tape this season.

Non‑QBs can have a dip and still go early; quarterbacks can’t. Arch is getting top‑pick buzz off the name, but he has to play like it, and a loaded Texas roster plus an early Ohio State test will crank up the stakes.

The Arch hype could even tilt preseason lines, especially at home, but I’d still hammer Ohio State. And as good as his weapons are, Jeremiah Smith is the standard—Coleman’s a monster too if he gets consistent quarterback play.

Ohio State just reloads, and that defense is big‑time. My issue with Arch isn’t character or athleticism; it’s the funky release and accuracy—Dante Moore has shown more quarterbacking right now.

Arch settled down late and flashed as a runner in big moments, but I’d trust Dante or even steady CJ Carr today. If Texas makes the playoff through that schedule, then I’ll buy the rise.

Exactly—he won’t be drafted to run; he has to dice secondaries. Mock drafts chase clicks, but NFL teams will wait to see the real jump before buying number one chatter.

This class will be volatile like always: guys pop late and leap the field. Dante earned top‑tier talk already; last season’s tape matters, and accuracy under fire matters more.

Dante did it with a banged‑up room and still showed toughness, and now he gets Decoria Moore and Evan Stewart. Even so, some team might chase Arch on name and traits no matter what.

The Mannings historically stay in school, and NIL gives Arch zero reason to rush if the year’s not great. Texas underachieved relative to the hype, and this thing will likely be headlined by Arch and Dante only if Arch actually earns it.

Past ‘it’ guys fell off fast, so the floor isn’t guaranteed for anyone.

There are wildcards: CJ Carr’s polish, Lenore Sellers’ traits, and smaller gamers like Trinidad Chambles who’ve punched up in big spots despite size questions.

Who’s your favorite from that tier?

CJ Carr—quiet leader, good size, live arm, and he plays on time from the pocket; he walked into Miami and A and M right away and didn’t flinch, and the receivers plus line continuity set him up to climb boards.

Alabama-wise, Ty Simpson wasn’t going to start, and Sayin isn’t a lock either. John Matier looked like a Heisman tease before the hand injury, the staff swears by his toughness, and new play‑caller history helps; watch for surprise risers like Oklahoma State’s guy or Hoover at Indiana.

Hoover had midseason first‑round buzz and now gets real weapons. Conference quality will matter for evals, but tape is tape.

On the money side, I’m hearing power leagues may cap total pay for players and coaches and add real contract rules to slow poaching. Big leagues will pay; everyone else gets squeezed.

Schools are hunting new money everywhere, from giant donors to creative investments, but even huge gifts burn fast in today’s payroll reality.

Portal cautionary tale: mid‑major stud takes 500 grand to jump, becomes a backup, then can’t return because of a buyout; loyalty stories exist, but they’re rare.

I’d rather pull proven starters from peer leagues than pay for blue‑blood backups who’ve barely played.

Exactly—power vs power tape travels; that’s why Mendoza’s wins over NFL‑level defenses sealed his draft rise.

Rookie fits: I love Jeremiah Love as a player, but Arizona’s RB room is crowded; I think Jadarian Price lands in a cleaner spot to be RB1 in Seattle and add juice as a returner.

Contenders put the most pressure on rookies; Love can be great on a five‑win team and no one blinks, but Price on Seattle has to deliver. Old‑school scouts I trust think Price could end up the better pro, and Seattle likely took him early before he vanished.

He and Shaheed could wreck games on specials, but new OC and usage will decide his ceiling.

Under the microscope rookies: the Chiefs’ top‑10 corner has to start right away; Peter Woods can grow in the shadows. I also like Stribbling for the 49ers—tough, blocks, runs—he’ll be judged hard, but lots of rooms had him going soon after.

Sleeper to watch: Jeremy Bernard in the Steelers slot. He’s a trust target on third down, and by midseason he could out‑catch bigger names in a game or two.

Rookie vibe matters; some guys talk like pros on day one, others set off alarms. Rodgers will lean on vets like Pittman and DK early while the young guys earn it.

The Browns finally stockpiled real upside at multiple spots, and it feels better than last year—if the quarterback question doesn’t sink it.

That roster only matters if they find a quarterback; otherwise it’s window dressing. If they start slow, I’d consider moving Miles Garrett early when the return’s unknown and bigger.

Deep classes change pick value, so 2027 firsts could be gold if you move fast.

Exactly—class strength shifts the chart, and the best time to deal a star is before records harden your slot. Also, those draft room docs are great; Berry and Ballard run clean rooms, and public clips lock in comparisons when you pass on one guy for another.

Jacob Rodriguez is the kind of do‑everything linebacker who’ll stick for a decade; fun story and ball‑hawk habits.

OTAs are about learning the book so camp doesn’t drown you. Pros are ruthless—if you don’t know it, they’ll play the guy who does, and in a Shanahan offense that’s non‑negotiable.

If you’re thinking on the field, you’re late; day‑three guys beat vets only if they’re assignment‑sound and confident against bigger, faster pros.

OTAs feel chill, then camp hits like an F1 race; self‑starters survive. And yes, I’m hydrating like crazy in this Arizona heat—sauna, then cold plunge; no hot tub after or you kill the benefits.

I keep hearing from scientists and the stuff you read online that with cold exposure you should not chase heat right after, kind of like when you ice a swollen knee and let it stay cold. If you’re using a communal plunge, show up clean, and if you shower after, finish cold; and man, look at Troy Aikman at 58, he’s ridiculously dialed—I'd love to have even a fraction of that leanness.

I feel a little out of my lane, but I love these conversations; last time we somehow went from Playboy to ice baths. Enjoy it.

Jackson, thanks again, and we’ll talk soon, buddy.

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