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What if you could teleport into Stanford’s most popular class and walk out knowing exactly how to build the life you want? This episode is your invitation to do just that. Today, Stanford professors Bill Burnett and Dave Evans are giving you their step-by-step guide to find your purpose and design the life you want, even if you feel stuck, uncertain, or overwhelmed. Their proven process will quickly help you take charge of your life, expand your view of what’s possible for yourself, live with no regrets, and find more meaning in each day. Is it ever too late to design the life of your dreams? In this conversation, the professors will tell you the surprising truth – and exactly what to do if you feel like time is running out. You’ll also learn: -The 3 powerful questions to ask yourself to figure out what you really want -How to really design a meaningful life and why there’s no such thing as a “perfect” life -The easy, no-stress way to turn your ideas into action -Why you can’t fail, no matter what This conversation will prove to you that your life is the biggest, most important project you’ll ever take on. You’ll see that you really can live a meaningful life and design the future you want, and you’ll walk away with the simple tools and positive mindset to make it happen, one step at a time. For more resources related to today’s episode, click here for the podcast episode page. If you liked the episode, check out this one next: 3 Questions to Ask Yourself to Figure Out What You Really Want Connect with Mel: Order Mel’s new product, Pure Genius Protein Get Mel’s newsletter, packed with tools, coaching, and inspiration. Get Mel’s #1 bestselling book, The Let Them Theory Watch the episodes on YouTube Follow Mel on Instagram The Mel Robbins Podcast Instagram Mel's TikTok Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes ad-free Disclaimer Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Hey, it’s your friend Mel, and today we’re doing the thing I always dreamed of—dropping you into Stanford’s most beloved life course with its creators, Dave Evans and Bill Burnett, right here in Boston. Grab your seat, because you’re getting their best tools to design a life with more meaning and momentum, and you’ll walk away clear on what matters now.
If I really use what you teach, how does my life change?
You’ll feel freer and more in charge, and you’ll realize there isn’t one perfect path to chase. There are many good lives in you, so stop trying to get it right and start getting it going.
It’s not about stuffing in more. It’s about getting more out of what you already have and what you can design, which helps people relax and see they likely have enough to begin.
Your books and class are huge. What does that popularity tell you we’re searching for?
Across students, mid‑career folks, and retirees, the same questions show up—will my work matter, how do I pivot, what now that the kids are gone? Old anchors like hometowns and shared communities are thinner, loneliness is up, and change is fast, so people want a simple framework to start.
You argue we should design our lives, plural. What do you mean?
Each of us holds more aliveness than one lifetime can express, so there isn’t one “true” you to unlock. Expect multiple good versions of you, learn your way forward, and treat missteps as data, not doom.
We even ask people, if you could live in parallel, how many lives would you try? The average is about seven, which proves you contain many futures.
So maybe this chapter is roughly 14 percent of what I could live, which means the next slice is mine to design if I shift my mindset.
Exactly. Work is changing fast, AI is remixing roles, and that can scare you or spark you. Stay curious, learn the new tools, and see this era as a creative renaissance.
What would you say to someone in their twenties who feels discouraged?
Your brain’s executive center finishes in your late twenties, so don’t demand a final answer at 22. Your job now is to gather options for your future self by doing, learning, and making moves within today’s realities.
And don’t buy the myth that Gen Z won’t work; when they care, they go all in. Aim that drive at things worth building.
Walk us through the Odyssey Plan, because it helps people see those other lives.
Sketch three five‑year paths: keep going on your current track, imagine that track disappears and choose Plan B, then pick a wild card if money and judgment weren’t issues. The wild card quiets your inner critic so your real ideas can surface.
I love the simplicity. If it goes well and nothing changes, what’s my life in five years? If I can’t do this, what’s Plan B? And if anything’s possible, what’s my bold path?
Do it fast and messy; you’ll surprise yourself. I watched a chiropractor stuck on the page realize, in seconds, that of course he’ll do something else someday—he just needed permission to write it down.
When people share their wild cards in small groups, listeners almost always say, you could absolutely do that. It’s proof you have more lives available than you think.
What are your wild cards?
Painting in my studio. I promised my 18‑year‑old self I’d keep making art, not for approval but for that marvelous state where creating feels inevitable.
Being a waiter in a top restaurant as performance art—reading the room, elevating each table’s night, and improvising across many stages at once.
Mine is a fantasy trilogy about angels among us, and I’m finally going to write it.
At the end of the day, we’re giving you permission to live your life. You may not be an Olympian, but you can absolutely become more you.
Right after Odyssey Plans comes prototyping. Ask, what do I need to learn next, then try small, low‑stakes experiments.
Give me examples of prototypes for paths like clowning, writing, or a midlife pivot.
Have narrative conversations—what’s it like to be you—then shadow, volunteer, or do a tiny slice before you commit big time or money. Surrogation beats Googling because real people’s stories are sticky and honest.
Test the feel quickly. If you think you want to write, try a 2,000‑word piece daily for a week and see if the solitude suits you. Talk to people ten years ahead and let their reality calibrate yours.
What about fear of failing or what others think?
Build failure immunity by remembering prototypes exist to learn, not to win. Make them tiny and safe, so almost nothing is at stake.
Set the bar low and clear it. Small wins compound, confidence grows, and the rule called failure loses its grip.
Is it too late if I’m older and want a big switch, like medical school?
Run the math on your health span and work horizon; many people have a decade or more to practice a new craft even starting in their fifties. Life keeps inviting you—say yes to the right ones and choose your path eyes open.
Funerals snap us awake. How do we use that urgency now?
Have friends write your eulogy while you’re alive, or write the one you hope is true. You’ll hear what actually matters to people, and it aims your days at what counts.
We also use a focus question that points to who you’re becoming in this season, not a spreadsheet goal. Mine right now is, how do I live from get to, not got to.
I can hear the pushback: I’m overwhelmed and don’t have time.
Check your screen time and reclaim twenty minutes you’re already losing to doomscrolling. Sit with yourself and see what surfaces; the first brushstroke is picking up the brush.
Make it even smaller. Twice this week, spend five minutes savoring a moment when you felt alive, and notice if it nourished you.
Your new book says we can feel more meaning today. What’s the first move?
Reframe the problem from finding one ultimate purpose to designing more meaning now. Then look beyond impact alone and spend more time in the flow world, not just the transactional grind.
Flow is that absorbed, time‑melting state that actually gives you energy—cooking, running, making art, or being fully present. Think of it as balancing the achieving brain with the awakened brain so you can feel connected and alive.
Boil your method down to a post‑it for us.
Get curious, talk to people, try stuff, tell your story. That flywheel moves you forward because each step feeds the next.
Once that loop spins, you feel progress even without perfect clarity, and the path gets brighter as you walk it.
Trade FOMO for the joy of missing out. Saying yes to the right life means saying no to a lot—and that’s freedom, not loss.
Try one tiny experiment this week that points toward joy. You can do this.
I want front‑row seats when Bill hangs his first show, and a table the night Dave plays head waiter. I love you, I believe in you, and I believe you can build a better life—so do it, and I’ll meet you in the next episode; and the legal bit, of course, this is for education and entertainment, not medical or therapy advice.