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Most Replayed Moment: Anxiety Is Just A Prediction! Rewrite Old Stories and Build Emotional Safety

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PodcastThe Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Lisa Feldman Barrett is a Canadian-American neuroscientist renowned for her pioneering work on how the brain constructs emotion through prediction. In this Moments episode, she explains how the brain doesn’t simply react to the world but continually anticipates it, drawing on past experience to shape what we feel, perceive and fear. She reveals why anxiety is often a replay of old predictions - and how to rewire meaning and ease the learned patterns that keep us stuck. Listen to the full episode here: Spotify: https://g2ul0.app.link/nCVkRtwSrYb Apple: https://g2ul0.app.link/Ozv6oJzSrYb Watch the Episodes On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos Lisa Feldman Barrett: https://lisafeldmanbarrett.com/

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Episode summary

When I’m in a meeting trying to take notes and my phone keeps pinging, my focus goes. That chat with my producer led me to your idea of the predictive brain—what is it, and what isn’t it?

It feels like we sense and then react, but under the hood the brain is constantly guessing and preparing actions in advance. Those preparations shape what you end up seeing, hearing, and feeling, and you then adjust if the prediction misses.

Can you give me a concrete example of predicting before acting?

During this chat your brain is forecasting each word and pre-tuning sensory circuits, so the experience begins before signals fully arrive. When reality differs, it rapidly updates the plan.

I remember an example about thirst—how does that work?

You stop feeling thirsty right after drinking because the brain anticipates the coming body state; imagining an apple can also activate vision, sound, and saliva systems without any apple present. Daily coffee teaches your system to widen blood vessels just before caffeine, so skipping it can trigger a dilation headache, and similar prediction explains waking before alarms and why practice makes movements more efficient while unpredictable intervals push you out of balance and burn more energy.

So what does this say about trauma and mental health—are we talking about predictions going wrong, like fearing men because of early patterns?

Trauma isn’t just what happens; it’s the relationship between current sensations and the past you use to interpret them, so the same events can land as ordinary or overwhelming. In one case, a girl later reframed routine violence after hearing other women’s stories and then developed symptoms; therapy tries to revise that meaning and place the power to change with you without saying you’re at fault.

That flips the usual belief about identity—like in The Courage to Be Disliked—suggesting we’re not puppets of the past, we give events meaning and then live by it.

Raw body signals have no built-in emotion until memory assigns purpose, and meaning lives in the interaction between an object and what you do with it. You don’t have a fixed self; you can rework past interpretations or deliberately practice new experiences now so they become tomorrow’s automatic predictions.

So with this metal cup, therapy might rewrite its meaning from the past, or I could put flowers in it today and train my brain to also see a vase next time.

Yes, and the brain readies actions and body support before a thought shows up, then the thought follows that preparation. Meaning tracks what you do and only afterward colors what you think and feel.

Let’s make it practical: if I’m scared of spiders, how do I use that second route to change it?

You can’t talk yourself out of it; you need small, safe doses of prediction error through gradual exposure. With my fear of bees, I practiced not running, moved closer, planted what attracts them, and even tolerated a sting so my brain could learn new outcomes.

So the aim is to prove those predictions wrong.

Exactly—that’s the point.

That was a most replayed moment; for the full conversation, check the description. Thank you for listening.

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