About this episode
Colin’s top takes of the week. First, he’s joined by Jason Timpf, host of “Hoops Tonight”. They start with the NBA Finals and debate whether Wemby’s thin frame has become a disadvantage when playing against the thicker, stronger Karl-Anthony Towns (3:30), why the expectations that Wemby be a finished product at 22 years old are unrealistic, and why Towns has grown and learned from past mistakes that cost his teams (7:30). They also discuss the confluence of events that have to come together in order for a non-star driven team like the Knicks to win the NBA title (12:30). They highlight that the Knicks have a special locker room chemistry that has led them to play for one another and exceed expectations (18:30). Then, Colin is joined by former NFL stars Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry, hosts of “4 and South” on the Volume. They discuss Leonard’s experience of joining the Tom Brady led Tampa Bay Bucs and eventually winning a Super Bowl, and what happened during their bye week that fixed the offense (28:00). Jarvis looks back fondly on the Browns team he played on with Baker Mayfield that made the playoffs, and why Covid helped the team focus (33:00). They also discuss the perception that Colin didn’t like Baker Mayfield, and why Colin didn’t like Baker as a fit for the Browns (36:00). All lines provided by @hardrockbet (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) Follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter for the latest content and updates! #Volume See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Episode summary
I turned the news off. Without clear facts, it just feels designed to split people.
Same here. The outrage beat makes it hard to trust anything.
I’ve watched the great bigs, and most of them won with power and leverage. Wembanyama’s being pushed around by a more physical Karl-Anthony Towns, who looks like the best player in this series—does that actually surprise you?
Towns looking like the top guy shocks me, but physical, mobile centers troubling Wemby doesn’t. He’s still productive, yet every touch is a grind because teams choke off his rolls, pack the paint, and dare his shooters, so he needs more jumpers and better team actions to get deep post position since he’ll never win low-man leverage battles consistently.
We’re unfair to young basketball stars compared to football, where players get years of hard coaching before we judge. Failure shapes greatness—LeBron added layers after Dallas—so it’s fine to suggest Wemby steal a simple baby hook and give him time to grow.
I call it scar tissue—you lose, it eats at you, and you fix it. Towns used to sabotage possessions; now he’s trimmed the mistakes, while San Antonio’s youth shows in late-game fouls and giveaways that swung winnable games.
The Knicks are easy to root for—Villanova core, a coach who listens, Brunson’s reliability, and Towns playing with purpose after personal loss. They were assembled by trades yet feel incredibly tight, which says a lot about maturity and buy-in.
That’s the secret—chemistry can lift a team beyond the sum of parts. Star scoring is down with all the traps, but the Knicks’ ball movement is way up, jumping from about 19 spot-up chances to 33 a game, and the sequences look like five guys sharing one brain.
You can see their resolve—they take body blows and never crack, which makes this feel over. Whatever people thought about Towns before, he’s become sturdy and dependable.
I won’t bury the Spurs; kids don’t quit. They stopped doubling Brunson late, ran in transition, and Wemby scored 22 in the second half, but winning four of five with that Madison Square Garden crowd and this Knicks mettle is a brutal climb, and their locker room bonds are real.
Switching gears, we paired up with Hard Rock and tried something new: Fourth and South with Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette. Leonard, when Tampa called, a roster full of dudes plus Brady, what ran through your mind?
I’d just been cut by Jacksonville when Devin White and then Tom reached out, and it felt right. I came in thinking I’d be the bell cow, hit adversity, humbled myself, and became Playoff Lenny when it mattered.
You were seven and five, then the bye hit and you never lost—what changed?
We had a players-only talk and parked our egos because there’s one ball. When Mike Evans can get two or three targets and not blink, it checks you, and we all locked in on the ring.
Jarvis, best team experience doesn’t always mean most wins—what was your favorite ride?
That Browns playoff group. COVID made it only ball and home, guys stepped up after injuries, and we nearly took out the Chiefs until that helmet-to-helmet touchback and Chad Henne’s scramble plus Andy Reid’s fourth-down call flipped it.
People think I disliked Baker; I didn’t. I worried Cleveland’s chaos and his emotional style would clash, but I’ve always said he’s one of the 20 best—pay him right and Tampa fits—so did my critiques ever land in that room?
Baker’s a competitor and winner, but he was young in a messy spot and had to grow. John Dorsey stocked the roster, we had a good run, and like any athlete he hears certain media voices—maturity and fit matter as much as talent.
Constructive criticism can help if you don’t drown in it, and everyone hits maturity on a different clock. That’s true in sports and in life.