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PodcastThe Tim Ferriss Show
Publisher/creatorTim Ferriss: Bestselling Author, Human Guinea Pig
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About this episode
This is a special compilation devoted to reinvention: how to shed an identity that no longer fits, decide on a new chapter, navigate uncertainty, and commit to what’s next.
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In this episode:
- Matthew McConaughey explains why he stopped making romantic comedies, turned down $15 million, and waited nearly two years for Hollywood to see him differently.
- Steve Young talks about losing the identity that had defined him and the advice another legendary quarterback gave him.
- Lori Gottlieb explains how listening to a quiet inner voice led her from Hollywood to medicine, then to journalism, and finally to psychotherapy.
- Suleika Jaouad describes rebuilding her life after cancer when going back to her old life was no longer possible.
- Samin Nosrat on walking away from a wildly successful food business that was making her miserable, and making room for the writing career that ultimately became Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat.
- Martine Rothblatt tells the remarkable story of teaching herself biology and starting a pharmaceutical company to save her daughter’s life.
- Finally, Debbie Millman gives you a simple exercise for imagining—and creating—the life you truly want.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro from Tim
01:43 Matthew McConaughey
14:35 Steve Young
17:16 Lori Gottlieb
24:38 Suleika Jaouad
36:47 Samin Nosrat
45:04 Martine Rothblatt
56:51 Debbie Millman
Short bios:
Matthew McConaughey is an Academy Award-winning actor—whose career spans 40+ feature films—a cofounder of the Just Keep Livin’ foundation, and the bestselling author of Greenlights.
Steve Young is a Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback, Super Bowl MVP, and co-founder and chairman of private-equity firm HGGC.
Lori Gottlieb is a psychotherapist, the New York Times “Ask the Therapist” advice columnist, and the bestselling author of Maybe You Should Talk to Someone.
Suleika Jaouad is an Emmy Award-winning journalist, artist, and bestselling author of Between Two Kingdoms and The Book of Alchemy.
Samin Nosrat is the James Beard Award–winning author of the New York Times bestseller Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat—also the title of her acclaimed Netflix series.
Dr. Martine Rothblatt is the founder, chairperson, and CEO of United Therapeutics—a biotechnology company she started to save the life of one of her daughters—and a pioneer of satellite radio.
Debbie Millman is one of the most influential designers working today, according to Graphic Design USA, an author, an educator, and the host of the pioneering podcast Design Matters, now celebrating its 21st year.
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Hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is about reinvention: shedding what no longer fits and staying with uncertainty. Eclectic crew—let’s get on with it. First up, Matthew McConaughey.
I was the rom-com go-to guy. They paid for Malibu, but life with Camila felt more vital. The parts I wanted weren’t coming; the others felt effortless. I said: if I can’t do the work I want, I ought to quit what I’ve been doing. No more romantic comedies. They raised an offer from 8 million to 15. Still, no thank you. For nearly 20 months, nothing came. I got content not knowing whether I’d act again. Then Mud, Magic Mike, True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club arrived. I hadn’t rebranded; I’d unbranded. Buck the bucks—I’m going for roles that shake me in my boots.
When football ended, I woke up without the thing I’d done onstage. Treat that ending like a death: mourn it, bury it. Roger Staubach told me, run. The game won’t let go, so depart. You can be great at one thing and not yet good at another.
Leaving entertainment for medicine was easy; I wanted real people. Leaving medical school for freelance journalism was harder: tuition, loans, everyone saying, just finish. But life is short. I wouldn’t prepare for a life I knew I didn’t want. I followed the fire in my belly. These were one lifelong interest in human stories through different doors.
After four years of treatment, texts made it sound finished. It wasn’t. How could I hold a job while needing four-hour naps, date with a port in my chest, imagine children with relapse risk? People wanted a heroic survivor; I felt wrecked. Moving on is a myth. PTSD helped me stop trying to recover the pre-cancer person. I needed time, safety in my body, and to become my own caregiver. With a new license, I drove to meet 22 strangers who’d written about interruptions.
I just wanted to make pasta. After my restaurant closed, I took pre-orders in a borrowed kitchen: no waste, none of the parts I hated. It grew bigger than my resources. Therapy helped me admit it was making me ill and keeping me from writing. Closing it hurt, but now I listen when something feels bad. You can’t spreadsheet your way out of everything.
My youngest daughter had pulmonary arterial hypertension, with no approved treatment. She couldn’t manage the front steps; doctors expected children to die within years. At night in intensive care, I taught myself biology. I found a failed molecule that lowered pressure between lungs and heart. Glaxo said no, so I built a biotech company and pressed until 15 executives licensed it. It has helped save thousands of lives.
I ask students for a 10-year plan for a remarkable life. Pick one day a decade out and write waking to sleep: where you live, who’s with you, what makes you feel alive. Dream without fear, keep it private if you want, revisit it yearly. It’s magic.
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