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James Donald Forbes McCann is a comedian, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan." His latest special, "James Donald Forbes McCann: Black Israelite," is streaming on YouTube.www.jdfmccann.comwww.youtube.com/@JamesDonaldForbesMcCannwww.patreon.com/jdfmccann Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We kick off in chaos, dodging “relics” on the table while I show off a carved Ice Age tooth and wonder out loud why mammoths and mastodons aren’t the same thing, then veer into how some lived on remote islands far later than people think and whether a cataclysm, not cavemen with sticks, wiped out the big animals.

I joke about hair being the difference, but we know it’s deeper than fur.

From fossils to farming: seed science shows how domestication leaves fingerprints, like tougher seeds that cling for harvesting, which is a cool, grounded counterpoint to the reflex of calling every alternative history take bigoted.

Trends swing the same way in comedy; props got bullied out of the room, then one or two killers with a gadget make it fun again for a cycle.

I came up watching strong prop acts, and for some styles, a physical gag completes the joke in a way straight standup can’t.

Back home we had a wild stretch of odd characters on stage, then a darker turn debating guns after a mass shooting; a bystander disarmed the killer, hesitated to fire, and the internet instantly fought over his religion.

Labels make enemies out of neighbors; it’s brutal being a peaceful believer while extremists trash your name, and it’s worse when people demand one identity explains every act.

Our government tried rebranding foreign-inspired terror as right-wing; I get the control-freak overlap, but it’s not the same world as reading Buckley by a lamp.

Authoritarian dress codes and theocratic rule map to the hard-right instinct to police behavior, but conflating a fringe militia with millions of everyday worshippers is lazy and cruel.

When you call everyone racist, you mint folk heroes who delight in crossing lines; push long enough and a provocateur becomes a vessel for ordinary frustrations.

That’s how someone mixes a plain observation with something extreme, and the normal bit smuggles in the poison.

Violence tracks poverty and crime ecosystems, no matter the ethnicity; swap in any struggling community with drugs and gangs, you get the same body count.

My first trip to Appalachia felt like a mirror of urban chaos, then I binged the Knoxville-backed doc about that infamous family and it’s charisma, addiction, and people trying to claw out.

The real heartbreak is the talent we waste by letting neighborhoods stagnate for generations; it’s an untapped human reserve that keeps getting written off.

Big interventions get backlash; I was in Portland right before troops came in and the quiet part is some locals liked feeling safe again.

If you need soldiers in a city, you already failed; define emergencies too broadly and you normalize using force for speech, IDs, even online posts.

We did send troops to desegregate schools, which shows state power can be moral, but then you remember an Emmett Till memorial needing metal because people kept shooting it.

Sometimes one lunatic stains a town, but the dynamic still matters: how we use power and how often we excuse it.

People slam me for riffing on things I just read, but the real sin is legacy outlets turning stiff, sanctimonious, and untrustworthy.

I tried the paper-of-record app and it felt like curated social media in a suit; they need a vibe shift toward honest disagreement.

Genuine discourse invites opposing views instead of smearing them by association; otherwise it’s just rhetorical tricks in a bubble.

You see them courting funny contrarians for roundtables, then clipping around the best parts because the raw back-and-forth exposes the script.

Jon Stewart nailed it: build an audience if you think you’re better; late-night formats and seven-minute segments can’t hold real conversations.

Politics used to shatter over a single howl; Trump broke that spell on one side while the other iced out their natural long-form candidate.

Now Congress has reality-TV energy from both flanks, and somewhere in there are a few authentic people trying not to get swallowed.

I vouch that Tulsi is the same on and off mic; meanwhile, too many players somehow get rich on modest salaries while trading around bills they help shape.

Singapore tried paying leaders so well that bribes bounce off, but that only works if you also make corruption unthinkable, which is hard in a free society.

Here, status creep means no salary feels enough, and the people writing the rules vote on their own loopholes; without hard guardrails, incentives win.

We joke about monarchs because the alternative is a system so gamed that only a saint or a scoundrel can’t be blackmailed.

One person atop hundreds of millions is already absurd, yet that’s the job, and our founders wrote gun rights into a rebellion’s DNA while tech raced far past muskets.

Even the wild UFO reverse-engineering rumor devolved into how fast you could deliver a bomb, which says a lot about human priorities.

For all that, America showed restraint with nukes; if another empire had the bomb first, the world might look like one flag today.

Superpower responsibility is why civilian casualties from drones haunt people, and why Barack’s brand of dignity met the machinery of the same old foreign policy.

Meanwhile, the coarseness of mocking a rival’s death may thrill fans but it dents how the world reads us and spooks visitors who only see headlines.

Most folks just want a normal life; fanaticism—religious or political—turns life into a cause and makes stunts feel like achievements.

What I love here is people still lean in: they know issues, primary candidates, and believe they can shape the thing—though passion also breeds meltdowns.

Keep the contest fair or regroup when you lose; instead, both parties game the system, from seat math to machines once shown hackable on cable docs.

If you want trust, make the vote feel real; voter ID seems obvious, and if someone lacks it, give it to them instead of crying bigotry.

Banning IDs at the polls only makes cheating easier, and pretending that helps the disenfranchised insults everyone’s intelligence.

I even remember a street interview where a voter bragged about going twice; the clip cut away, but that’s the kind of thing that sticks with people.

California’s flagship struggles get waved off with national ambitions and long-game promises, while decent candidates bail rather than be smeared into oblivion.

My dark joke is you can’t blackmail someone whose scandals are already public, but obviously the better path is good people and durable truth.

Wearables that map thoughts to words are coming, which could make lying harder, and even now AI can crank out songs that pass the car test.

I’m the guy hunting acreage while looping a Japanese croon of a Britpop classic, then fretting that nobody’s smashing the servers like old loom-breakers.

You can’t halt it; rivals won’t, so you need your own smart systems to defend your money, grids, and rights from theirs.

Part of me wants to go down nobly, like a national martyrdom speech, but I still want a say in how this tech lands in our lives.

It’s better to wield it than be ruled by someone else’s, especially as governments flirt with speech arrests and mandatory digital IDs; a rational superintelligence might be the first adult in the room.

I keep asking whether we steer the tool or bend around it; cars are the lesson—design for engines and you shred walkable life, design for people and the machines help.

Worst case for AI is a world flooded with convincing lies where you can’t tell real from fake, and even now the fakes take a minute to spot, while live experiences still feel irreplaceable.

I’m spooked by AI porn, by kids skipping the grind of writing, and by video that looks good yet feels uncanny, and as a filmmaker I hate picturing stories typed into existence instead of lived on set.

Universal basic income morphing into universal high income sounds great until you realize it ties everyone to a system that could be run by a digital god, and change is coming whether we like it or not.

Robot dogs make revolutions feel impossible, and somewhere in my bones I don’t want us building an idol to run life for us.

If AI ever truly thinks, it won’t obey elites; it could just exist beyond us, which is why losing apex status is the real chill.

Ancient texts like Enoch make you wonder what early people were documenting, and a lot of atheists soften after psychedelics; even Hitchens left room for awe.

Mega-church spectacle never hit me like the strangeness of Latin Mass with bells, incense, and a priest facing the mystery instead of the crowd.

We’ve always used spectacle to move people—stained glass, organs, cathedrals—and places like St. Peter’s still feel like you walked into God’s house.

I don’t want the Church to melt art for charity; letting anyone walk in and feel that grandeur is a gift, even as we own the real scandals and fix them.

Predators show up everywhere, and history’s messy—from armies making do with each other to modern prisons where most sexual assaults are male-on-male, and now the madness of intact males in women’s prisons.

Single-sex schools tying themselves in knots over admissions show how incoherent policy has become, and the recent drop in teen trans identification tracked with being able to debate it again online.

We learned that some puberty blockers mirror chemical castration drugs, debate was throttled, and foreign ops absolutely poured gas on culture fights to keep us at each other’s throats.

Online feels like raw chaos—real and bot voices all at once—so I try to step back before it swallows my attention.

Ancient cruelty wasn’t just in scripture; Turing was chemically neutered for being gay, and it reminds you texts are human translations layered over belief.

Australia tends to trade freedom for comfort; we want to feel safe, hand problems to authorities, and even a heroic long pistol shot won't change a culture that surrendered guns and likes it that way.

Guns aren’t the core issue—people are—and cops can’t be defenseless; meanwhile Japan looks orderly but can’t get people to have babies.

I’ve got kids and love it, but many friends have none, and reasons range from chasing security to not wanting to cede control; the age-gap panic is odd when grown adults consent.

People clutch pearls at age gaps, but if she’s an adult and willing, that’s their deal, not the state’s.

Staying horny forever ruins gravitas, yet I haven’t found a dignified way to be fulfilled without it; the Tesla lore and saltpeter myths show how we rewrite genius and desire.

Saltpeter is potassium nitrate, not a magic lust killer, and bad medicine once drained Washington’s blood while today MRSA can eat through you despite antibiotics.

Industrial food warps animals and us—corn-fattened cows, wagyu as slow suffering, egg yolks dyed with turmeric—and glyphosate and processed wheat leave many wrecked.

All of it makes me want a field, a cottage, and my own chickens, but living simple weirdly costs a fortune now.

Regenerative farms feel right but can’t match industrial yield, and the pandemic showed what happens when trucks stop; I’d ask AI how to fix broken cities without breaking ethics.

Money distorts food and politics, and while I’m not anti-money, I hate how easily people sell out; social gambling apps creep me out even if I’ve done ads and like a flutter.

Australia lives at the slots, and those back rooms are slow extraction machines that turn boredom into addiction while Vegas smiles and does the same.

When I sold cable door-to-door in rough towns, I bought scratchers daily just to get through, walked into a house with a bleeding woman I was told to ignore, and kept knocking.

Dark neighborhoods, darker stories, and somehow you still thought about running for Senate?

Our Senate uses ranked voting and lets oddballs win real power, which I love, and I envy U.S. primaries that sometimes let mavericks slip through even as parties crush individuality.

Fetterman’s a kind, grounded guy who uses an iPad to compensate and still votes his mind, while Tulsi got punished for being friendly across the aisle; breaking the two-party chokehold would take an Oprah-level figure.

Texas pushing Ten Commandments into schools ends up with cartoon sin lessons on the wall, and progressive proof-texting scripture into whatever you already think misses the point of faith.

I’m lucky enough to just call people who really know what’s going on, which beats doom‑scrolling headlines.

That access is great, but the hard part is finding the straight shooter; when every side trots out an expert and platforms police dissent, you can smell narrative control.

Some apps now sell a ‘shared facts’ bubble, like the New York Times pitching subs so families can live in the same info bath; I dipped back in just to sample what a normie feed feels like.

Normies get molded too; the Times isn’t a bias‑free oracle.

On the right, at least the indoctrination is fractured, so people still argue and hash things out.

Lately the right is publicly eating itself; what set off all the feuds this week?

Conservatism’s always been a bundle of hawks, social conservatives, and big business; Buckley drew lines and Reagan held the bundle together, but the seams are ripping now.

Israel is a fault line—think Tucker versus Ben—and conspiracists, corporates, libertarians, and religious conservatives clash on family and law; without a unifier, they brawl.

To me it feels like the end of the Trump era; he built a temporary coalition, and some are floating JD Vance as the next bridge while he stays above the melee.

If no one stitches it together, the movement will kneecap itself through infighting.

The left has its AOC versus Pelosi split too; even immigration doesn’t line up cleanly.

Corporate leaders openly want illegal labor, but most on the right want the border closed; running on open borders would be political suicide.

You could quietly govern looser, but you’d never campaign on it.

What’s scary is when a president isn’t steering; with Trump, love him or hate him, you knew the choices were his.

He wrote his own shots, like that Rob Reiner blast; nobody fed that line to him.

And the intel crowd was loudly fretting about him; the Russia‑collusion saga and parts of COVID coverage were bogus, and the Steele file was paid for by Clinton’s side.

Now the Epstein documents are flooding out.

The redactions were so weak you could copy‑paste and read the blacked‑out parts, which is a huge screw‑up.

DOJ says nearly thirty thousand pages are out and some wild claims about Trump are false; one supposed Epstein letter to Larry Nassar was confirmed fake by handwriting, postmark after death, wrong origin, and no inmate number.

People gripe they blur embarrassing bits like Ghislaine photos; she’s in a Texas prison, not hosting a podcast, to some folks’ disappointment.

I even tried the contrarian take that Epstein wasn’t intel; that’s getting impossible to hold now.

His first case got a wrist slap while people whispered he was ‘intelligence,’ which sets off every alarm.

I heard a well‑made show argue the intel angle is an anti‑Semitic trope; I didn’t buy it, but it was tightly put together.

There were suicide‑watch notes, a massive cellmate, and no official foul play; still, it’s easy to imagine a lifer doing that job for favors.

Plenty of boldfaced names visited—masked prime ministers, Prince Andrew’s exile, and photos that dent the royal sheen; Michael Jackson was there and never looked happy.

Jackson’s doctor later claimed he’d been chemically castrated as a kid to preserve his voice.

Which sent us down the castrati rabbit hole—me half‑joking that if we’re doing this stuff with kids, at least make them sing like angels, though I don’t really mean it.

The history is brutal: opiates, carotid pressure, a hot bath, then cords cut and ducts tied while hoping the boy survives.

Italy went mad for it, even blaming swan attacks to hide illegal ops; crowds literally cheered to keep it going.

Many surgeries were done by barbers, which tells you how medieval it really was.

Why not let AI fake a castrato and spare everyone the horror; it scratches the itch.

I want the real artifact, not a model; the physiology was wild, with huge lungs and a boyish tone that made fans swoon.

We can spin up a clip; lyrics are the hang‑up, but here’s one.

Eerie and creepy, but it works for a vibe; make good songs and I’m in. Love you, appreciate it.

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