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Ray Dalio: I Predicted The 2008 Crash, I Know What Comes Next

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PodcastThe Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The man who predicted the 2008 crash says the warning signs are flashing again! Ray Dalio, founder of the world's largest hedge fund, reveals why we are in an AI bubble, why the US has already entered its decline, and what he thinks is coming next. Ray Dalio is the founder of Bridgewater Associates, which he grew from his two-bedroom apartment to roughly 150 billion dollars under management. He is the author of ‘Principles,’ ‘Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order,’ and ‘How Countries Go Broke'. He explains: ◼ Why he agrees we are in an AI bubble, and what actually makes bubbles burst ◼ Why he believes cash is the worst place to store your money over time ◼ The five forces behind his "big cycle”, and where he thinks we are now ◼ Why he says the US and UK are already in the decline, and what comes next ◼ What AI will do to jobs, and who ends up on each side of the wealth gap The views expressed are those of the guest, and this conversation is intended for general informational purposes only. It should not be taken as financial or investment advice. Chapters 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:35 The AI Bubble: Are We Heading Toward an Economic Collapse? 00:12:17 Why Economic Bubbles Burst—and How to Prepare Before They Do 00:16:45 How to Diversify Your Income Before the Next Downturn 00:23:14 How to Secure Your Financial Future With Little or No Savings 00:27:52 Bitcoin vs. Gold: Which Asset Better Protects Your Wealth? 00:30:06 Who Will Be the Biggest Winners of the AI Revolution? 00:34:48 Will AI Replace Human Workers Faster Than We Expect? 00:43:18 Will AI Create Enough New Jobs to Offset Job Losses? 00:48:15 What Would You Tell Your Kids to Do Right Now? 00:58:44 Can Higher Taxes on the Wealthy Really Reduce Inequality? 01:03:47 Is the UK in Decline—and What Would Turn It Around? 01:08:41 Where Should Young Entrepreneurs Build Their Business Today? 01:11:06 Does a 2% Wealth Tax Actually Work? 01:13:11 The 80-Year Cycle: Are We Entering the Collapse Phase? 01:14:52 Can the Next World Order Have More Than One Superpower? 01:20:08 What the Iran Conflict Could Mean for the New World Order? Follow Ray: ◼ YouTube - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/2DcHBpW ◼ Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/9F19ATa ◼ Website - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/KIidwS ◼ LinkedIn - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/2kZZnHp ◼ Substack - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/A3pSLe3 You can find out more about Ray Dalio’s personality test, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/4GnqnN5 The Diary Of A CEO: ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ◼ The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJb ◼ The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: https://linkly.link/2hm7r ◼ Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ◼ Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Wispr - Get 14 days of Wispr Flow for free at https://wisprflow.ai/steven Ketone - https://ketone.com/STEVEN for 30% off your subscription order

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Are we living through an AI bubble that could spill into a wider economic shock, and what should people do about it? Before we dive in, you founded Bridgewater in a tiny apartment and grew it into the largest hedge fund, with decades of strong, uncorrelated returns and a rare call on the 2008 crisis—so I want your take.

We’re showing classic bubble traits: a transformative technology drives euphoria, prices outrun earnings, leverage creeps in, and when money tightens, forced selling cascades into the real economy.

So leverage on inflated AI valuations looks great on the way up, but one shock makes everyone dump at once and the spiral begins; is that the dynamic?

Exactly—and prickers include higher interest rates, tougher money, new taxes, and a flood of fresh equity supply; late‑cycle speculation and leveraged products amplify it.

If this pops, how should regular savers and founders prepare—raise cash now like some CEOs, or do something else?

Do not try to time it; build resilience with diversification, not concentration, and measure your survival runway in years, not months.

Cash feels safe but loses to inflation and taxes over time; mix assets thoughtfully, consider a home for stability, and use gold as a shock absorber because it often rises when financial assets struggle.

People keep asking about Bitcoin—where does it fit?

I hold about one percent in Bitcoin, but for a hard‑money sleeve of roughly five to fifteen percent I favor gold, since Bitcoin faces tech and policy risks and central banks will not back it in size.

What if someone is thirty with little savings—how do they get ahead?

Invest in yourself first, sell your time where your skills fetch the highest rate, and align passion with pay while remembering adaptability beats raw IQ over a lifetime.

I’ve learned the same skill is priced very differently by industry, so switch contexts to unlock a step change, not just a small raise.

Top performers in any field command multiples of the average, so a modest improvement in mastery can double your value; know your nature, then pick roles that fit it.

Let’s zoom out on AI—who wins, who loses, and how fast does the shock hit?

AI is climbing from body to mind, automating higher reasoning; capital owners and those partnering expertly with the tools gain, while routine cognitive roles and many entry‑level jobs face pressure.

Unemployment usually spikes when bubbles burst and collateral vanishes, while automation is a steady multi‑year force; both can hit together.

Silicon Valley says new jobs will appear and most people will be fine; do you buy that?

Some new roles emerge, but when both body and mind are replaceable, the edge shifts to human qualities like emotion, intuition, and trust—and the real winners will blend those with AI.

You talk about big cycles—where are we now?

We’re late in an approximately eighty‑year arc marked by heavy debts, widening wealth gaps, political conflict, and shifting geopolitics, layered over a steady rise in technology.

Does that mean one superpower still dominates next time, or something else?

I expect more regional balance rather than a single hegemon, with the United States and China staying powerful if they manage debt, education, and cohesion; pressure, not major war, is the likelier path on flashpoints like Taiwan.

How does the current conflict with Iran fit into this picture?

It spotlights eroding U.S. capacity to enforce global rules, from the Strait of Hormuz to Asia, much like late‑stage Britain; revealing that vulnerability was a mistake with long echoes.

Back to inequality—what actually helps without breaking growth?

Societies work best with a solid floor—education, basic health, decent housing—and a culture of civility and productivity; otherwise people become liabilities and costs explode.

And wealth taxes—the hot topic in the UK and big cities—good fix or own goal?

Wealth taxes are hard to administer, can force selling that pops bubbles, and push capital to leave; if you tax more, pair it with investments that raise productivity, not just consumption.

Is the UK a cautionary tale right now?

Yes—over‑indebted, underproductive, and politically fragmented; typical exits involve inflation, debt restructurings, possible capital controls, and a hard but necessary centrist plan shared across parties.

If you were twenty‑one today, would you build in Britain?

I’d build borderlessly from vibrant hubs with talent, capital, and civility, and keep multiple bases so I’m not trapped by one jurisdiction’s cycle.

Before we close, your work has helped millions see the bigger picture through principles, not just tactics, and your videos made complex ideas click for me and my audience—thank you for doing this so publicly.

I’m grateful—that’s why I make concepts digestible, like the thirty‑minute How the Economic Machine Works video, so more people can navigate what’s coming.

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