#2560 - David Grusch

You’re standing closest to the fire. Are people in Congress trying to get this out while others fight to keep it buried?

Yeah. It’s a real split: nonbelievers on one side, a growing UAP caucus on the other. After the 2023 disclosure measure failed, I stayed quiet through 2024, then Representative Burleson brought me onto his staff. I’d testified as a whistleblower and wound up working for Congress. I just wrapped that job after getting a lot done behind closed doors, but I need a breather.

Members were willing to hear the classified history, including darker material I encountered following money and working with DOJ. Most people in these efforts are patriotic and decent. But without oversight, tiny pockets can abuse secrecy for profoundly criminal things. I briefed details securely, and I have to be careful because parts remain active with law enforcement.

Secret programs are one thing. Using national-security cover for trafficking or other crimes is another kind of horror.

I was a career intelligence and Air Force officer. When I joined the UAP task force in 2019, I thought I’d find a badly reported program, get read in, have an awkward grown-up meeting, and move on. Instead, around late 2020, people went after me administratively, my supervisors, and people they thought were helping me.

I still don’t know the precise tripwire. Friends and colleagues reported anomalous health symptoms. I initially wondered whether a foreign service was involved. Then I got a coordinated warning, and in an off-books Senate intelligence meeting, trusted people told me certain individuals had discussed killing me. That was not casual to hear about yourself.

So this is bigger than revealing UAPs: secrecy becomes a zone where oversight fails and normal rules disappear.

That’s my assessment. Some bad actors abused authorities meant to safeguard critical infrastructure and treated me like a threat. I love serving this country. I’m withholding specifics to protect sources and investigations, but I hope wrongdoing meets justice through the proper system—not vigilante nonsense.

You believe acknowledgment is coming, but not as a quick warehouse tour. There are diplomatic, religious, and security consequences.

I believe a threshold acknowledgment should arrive before Trump leaves office: we are not alone, material has been recovered, and some has been studied. But it has to be managed. We’ve drawn inspiration from unusual materials and effects; it’s not always clean reverse engineering. There are other countries’ programs, sensitive defense technology, and an intelligence whose intentions we may not understand.

Even powerful White House officials appear to meet resistance. The old bureaucracy thinks appointees or Congress will blurt out classified details, so it offers dribs and drabs. China and Russia have interests too. The U.S. and Soviet Union had a Cold War channel for unidentified activity near sensitive sites; we’ve never had an equivalent obligation with China, which is nuts when unexpected missile activity makes everybody scramble.

If recovered objects are intact, are they gifts, accidents, or bait—tossing the gorilla a banana to see whether it can peel it?

That’s exactly the skeptical intelligence-officer question. I don’t know the global distribution of recoveries or who shares what. I know retrievals included intact landings. Every side can deceive, and even an origin story from an NHI would need verification.

I never had a spooky childhood experience. I was the astronomy-and-physics nerd watching X-Files, reading Asimov, checking classified databases for Area 51. I saw nothing persuasive for years. Then I learned programs I’d supported had quietly aimed at UAP collection. I came into this professionally, not because I saw an orb in my backyard.

Earlier governments treated disclosure as a policy problem, and money may be the stopper: exclusive contractor access, sole-source deals, and enormous legal exposure.

Yeah. Procurement violations, misappropriated funds, exclusive arrangements, and massive liability may be central. But disclosure could open non-sensitive research to universities and a broader industrial base. I support tailored immunity for testimony alongside accountability for genuinely horrific crimes—truth and reconciliation, not a blanket excuse.

I separate physical craft from stranger possibilities. Orbs could be plasma-based life, probes, or vehicles surrounded by plasma. Those are frameworks, not certainty. I saw vetted audiovisual material involving bodies tied to a contemporary retrieval. What I saw looked strikingly human: pale bluish-white skin, long grayish hair, unusually beautiful. I’m not claiming to know origin or biology.

You’re the first to admit it sounds insane: grays, reptilian types, maybe multiple subtypes.

Of course it sounds insane. I’ve never personally met one. I’ve heard accounts of grays and reptilian-looking beings, and of retrieval personnel experiencing what felt like telepathy. Maybe it’s consciousness, a protective countermeasure, or something else. I’m not going to pretend confidence beyond what I have.

A naturally evolved off-world species that looks almost like us is hard to square. Maybe bioengineering, a breakaway human line, or something we haven’t conceived. I’m Catholic, and I don’t think every anomalous thing has to be demonic. What convinces me this is more than black programs is its age and consistency: records, military witnesses, nuclear-site activity, extraordinary movement. Some sightings are ours. There is a genuine presence too.

Blue Book’s public dismissal fit a security purpose. An Australian intelligence assessment portrayed it as a public-facing façade while the U.S. pursued technology and discouraged attention. The stigma remains powerful. Highly credible people tell me things privately because they can’t safely say them publicly. I’d rather be back doing my old work.

And you reject the claim that you manipulated Matthew Brown into becoming a whistleblower.

Correct. I never met him in government, never made a fake UAP briefing, and never saw that document. Dude, it’s just me, my friends, and people trying to help. I’m not taking orders to run a psyop.

Maybe synchronicity is humans imposing meaning on randomness. Still, improbable meetings and timing shaped my path. Maybe consciousness is part of the technology question. Maybe AI links records and spots cover stories that don’t add up. Time may be shorter than people think.

If disclosure comes, it can’t be grainy video and a press release. People will want inspectable evidence, outside scientists, and a process that doesn’t demand blind trust.

I agree. I hope this is my last interview before real acknowledgment. It’s been debilitating and dangerous, but I’m honored to have risked it if it helps uncover what may be America’s core secret. Don’t take my word for it—push the government to release what it responsibly can. I hope the truth comes out.