About this episode
He predicted the 2008 crash, now Professor Steve Keen warns the Iran war is coming for your food prices. Professor Steve Keen is the world's first rebel economist to predict the 2008 financial crisis years before it happened, based on his proprietary data software, Ravel©. He has spent over 30 years as an academic, and is currently a visiting scholar at the University of Amsterdam. He explains: ◼ Why your food prices could double and the one resource nobody is talking about ◼ The 5 ways this war could end and which scenario keeps you safest ◼ How one 20km gap controls your phone, your heating, and your food ◼ Why nobody around Trump will tell him he's losing and what that means for you ◼ How AI could wipe out half of all jobs and what you should do right now Chapters 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:15 Who Is Professor Steven—And Why His Perspective Matters Now 00:02:41 What’s Really Driving Tensions Between The US, Israel, And Iran 00:07:26 Why Israel Might See Iran As An Existential Threat 00:12:26 The Strait Of Hormuz—And What Happens If It Closes 00:16:20 Where Fertilizer Comes From—And What A Shortage Would Trigger 00:18:07 Why Oil Still Controls Everything—And The Cost Of Running Out 00:21:09 What Happens If This War Doesn’t End Quickly 00:21:53 The Real Cause Behind The Global Cost Of Living Crisis 00:25:18 Do Wars Widen The Gap Between Rich And Poor 00:29:38 Five Scenarios That Could Shape What Happens Next 00:29:50 Scenario 1: What Happens If Iran Is Destroyed 00:33:01 Scenario 2: The Fallout If Gulf Infrastructure Collapses 00:37:31 Scenario 3: The Samson Doctrine—And When It’s Used 00:44:33 Scenario 4: Could Iran Neutralize Israel’s Nukes 00:51:21 What Trump Really Wants—And The Fear Behind It 00:53:12 Will The US Put Troops On The Ground 00:56:11 What The Best-Case Scenario Actually Looks Like 00:59:03 Scenario 5: What Changes If Iran Goes Nuclear 01:00:40 Why Self-Sufficiency Might Be The Only Safety Net 01:03:39 What Could Trigger The Next Financial Crash 01:07:57 How To Survive Another Boom-And-Bust Cycle 01:09:25 Universal Basic Income 01:12:25 How AI Is Quietly Rewriting The Job Market 01:21:26 Is Bitcoin Headed To Zero 01:26:15 What Kind Of Leaders Do We Actually Need 01:28:14 What A Better System Could Look Like 01:30:17 What’s Broken In Capitalism—And Can It Be Fixed 01:31:17 Final Thoughts—And The Surprise You Didn’t Expect Enjoyed the episode? Share this link and earn points for every referral - redeem them for exclusive prizes: https://doac-perks.com You can follow Steve, here: YouTube - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/C8KEcSZ X - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/5wY8sFQ You can purchase Steve's book, 'The New Economics: A Manifesto', here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/9H2fggV You can find out more about Steve’s ‘Rebel Economist Challenge’, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/GK6TEF1 The Diary Of A CEO: ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ◼ The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt ◼ The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards (Second Edition): https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb ◼ Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ◼ Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Wispr - Get 14 days of Wispr Flow for free at https://wisprflow.ai/steven Stan - Visit https://coach.stan.store/?ref=stevenbartlett&utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=episode4 Wispr - Get 14 days of Wispr Flow for free at https://wisprflow.ai/steven Function Health - https://Functionhealth.com/DOAC to sign up for $365 a year. One dollar a day for your health
Episode summary
Before we dive in, help me out here: Trump keeps claiming the war is already won, the news feels chaotic, and I want to understand what’s really happening—and who you are and what you study.
I work on the history of economic ideas, financial instability, and how money actually moves through an economy, which weirdly many economists ignore.
We’ve effectively put a mob‑style narcissist in charge, Israel has long wanted Iran neutralized, and Trump both misjudged and exploited that push—so now we’re in a crisis with global stakes.
So why is he saying he’s winning, and what’s really at play?
He’s being fed flattery and cannot process the idea of being wrong, and I also think he’s using threats and pauses to jack markets for himself and his friends.
Lay out the risk landscape you see.
The Strait of Hormuz is a narrow choke point for oil, liquefied natural gas, fertilizer inputs, and helium, and Iran can decide who passes; if that flow stops, we don’t just pay more at the pump—we hit chip shortages and even food crises.
Why helium and fertilizer matter sounds obscure—can you make it concrete?
Around a third of global helium—vital for chipmaking—comes from fields spanning Iran and Saudi Arabia, you cannot stockpile it, and cutting that stream can idle fabs in places like South Korea that supply much of the world’s memory.
Fertilizer production also depends on hydrocarbons and chemicals transiting that corridor, and losing even 20 to 30 percent of supply can translate into comparable drops in global food output.
You’re saying this is bigger than oil prices—it’s GDP and food on the line?
Energy use and global GDP move almost in lockstep, so remove a chunk of LNG and oil and you drag output down, while specific crude types aren’t easily swappable, which makes the system more brittle than people think.
Politically, why take on Iran now when it’s unpopular?
A narcissist craves center stage and positive attention, and I see a huge gap between public anger over Israel–Palestine and political elites who, in my view, may be compromised; the simplest through‑line is Israel thought America would help them break Iran and misread Iran’s readiness.
What does Iran’s readiness actually look like?
They decentralized command across 31 provinces, buried capabilities deep underground, built missile and production redundancies, and sit on mountainous terrain the size of half of Western Europe, which makes a ground campaign nightmarish.
You keep hinting at scenarios—walk me through them briefly.
Worst case is someone tries to destroy Iran with nukes, which would require hundreds of large warheads and risks planetary catastrophe; I don’t think it’s likely, but the chance isn’t zero with reckless leadership.
What else could unfold?
Iran could take out Gulf power and LNG infrastructure, making places like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Dubai unlivable for workers, collapsing regional energy output and hammering global supply chains.
We’ve already seen airport shutdowns in Dubai that reportedly cost over a billion a day—this is real leverage.
Exactly, which is why Gulf leaders would pressure Washington to stop, while any U.S. or Israeli strike on Iranian power assets could trigger retaliatory destruction across the Gulf.
Another terrifying branch is a ‘Samson’ move where, if Israel believed an existential defeat was imminent, it used its nuclear arsenal to pull the temple down on everyone.
Given mutual threats, does deterrence make us safer or not?
As grim as it sounds, mutual assured destruction was more stable than one side holding all the cards; if Iran had a credible deterrent, it might restrain Israeli adventurism.
In the U.S., the president has sole authority to launch nuclear weapons and does not need permission from Congress or military leadership, which is why choosing who holds that power is so consequential.
What’s the scenario you’re quietly rooting for?
Iran disabling Israel’s nuclear forces by conventional means would remove the immediate nuclear trigger without a global winter, and given Iran’s planning depth, I think they’ve gamed that path.
But Iran’s navy and air force are degraded—how would they do it?
Missile salvos from hardened sites could target launch systems and storage, and if their penetration tech is better than we assumed, they might temporarily neutralize Israel’s nuclear option.
Trump’s timeline keeps swinging from strike threats to negotiation pauses—what’s your read?
He’s playing markets and projecting how he’d react to pressure, but Iran isn’t him, so the bluff‑and‑brag cycle won’t produce a clean win.
If he declares victory and exits, does that end it?
He’ll claim victory no matter what, but the U.S. hasn’t truly won a war since World War Two, and if he sends ground troops—more likely than not in my view—they face a lethal, decentralized defense.
Step back: how do wars like this interact with inequality?
Crushing inequality invites demagogues and conflict, and while postwar periods can refocus societies on fairness, we’ve drifted back to imbalance, so shocks now hit people living hand‑to‑mouth the hardest.
If this drags on, what will ordinary people feel first?
Within a few months, fertilizer shortfalls could trigger famine in places like India while wealthy countries discover that without fuel, even moving food from farms to cities breaks down.
Given that, what can individuals actually do?
Invest in household resilience like solar and, where possible, small‑scale food production, because energy fragility quickly becomes food fragility.
Let’s switch gears—you’ve warned of an AI boom‑and‑bust; what’s the mechanism?
Like railways and the dot‑com era, a credit‑fueled surge builds too much capacity, then the new tech undercuts incumbents, revenues lag, and you get a sharp downturn before the long‑run benefits stick.
We’re already seeing high startup failure rates and wild valuations—how should entrepreneurs prepare?
Build cash buffers if you can and be ready for contraction, while recognizing the deeper disruption is labor displacement on a scale we’ve never seen, which likely forces universal basic income onto the policy table.
Entry‑level white‑collar roles are thinning as teams adopt agents—so who stays valuable?
People with deep domain expertise, those who can design and run agentic workflows, and humans in high‑trust relationship roles, while routine tasks and some junior analytical work get automated away.
On crypto, you’ve said Bitcoin’s going to zero—why?
Proof‑of‑work’s energy hunger collides with ecological limits and resource scarcities, and when society is forced to curb energy waste, crypto and discretionary air travel will be among the first cuts.
Bottom line on the war and the economy?
We’ve overestimated our system’s robustness; a military misstep or biophysical overshoot can push us off a Seneca cliff from abundance to collapse, so we need saner leadership and policies anchored in physical reality rather than ideology.
Listeners keep asking if now’s the time to buy a house, hold gold, save cash, or jump into tech—do you have a view?
I don’t give personal investment calls; I’m focused on whether the system is viable, and right now it isn’t, so you can’t outmaneuver a failing framework at the individual level.
So what would a better setup look like, given worries that China centralizes power and limits people’s choices?
I’m not saying the West should go communist; we need a model that values social cohesion alongside personal gain, closer to a social democratic mix. Think worker-first enterprises that still earn profits, and a blend of collaboration with rivalry; China learned from Soviet mistakes by combining top down with bottom up.
What’s the core flaw in how the U.K. and the U.S. practice capitalism?
It glorifies competition and neglects collaboration, which fuels short-termism because debt and interest demand quick payoffs; we should fund infrastructure built to last while letting firms compete on shorter horizons, and our balance is badly off.
Before we wrap, check his YouTube channel for sharp takes on economics, politics, and the Iran conflict; your videos made me see how dependent we are on one region for key raw materials and how war triggers unintended consequences.
I turn seventy three tomorrow and hope I make seventy four; thanks for the cake, and my wish is simple—peace in the Middle East.
Happy birthday—and yes, that cake is a masterpiece.