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AI At Work: Mass Unemployment Or A New Era Of Human Potential?
Nick Hanauer is a billionaire entrepreneur, venture capitalist and outspoken advocate for a more inclusive economy. Daniel Priestley is a bestselling author, entrepreneur and co-founder of multiple businesses helping people build and scale companies.
In this moment, Nick Hanauer and Daniel Priestley debate one of the biggest questions facing the future of work: what happens when AI can do more of the tasks we once thought only humans could perform? They explore the uncertainty ahead, the unexpected opportunities emerging, and why the way we think about jobs, businesses and value creation may be about to change for good.
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When I talk with founders about AI, I return to the human-to-AI handoff: what machines absorb, where people matter. Nick sold a company for nearly seven billion dollars; where did that lens come from?
I came from a middle-class family serious about civic duty. My grandfather’s bedding manufacturer was my business beginning; Amazon’s first operations were in my house.
As an Australian teenager, entrepreneurship felt like a cheat code. My agency hit a million in year one, ten million by year three; later, I built an accelerator.
The anxiety is entry-level work: agents handle repetitive jobs, postings are falling, and models may improve themselves. How disruptive will employment become?
It will be disruptive. AI draws on humanity’s intellectual property for free while a small group captures immense value. A public stake could recycle some value to soften transition.
The Philippines could lose outsourced back-office work. But AI can strengthen Britain’s 5.7 million businesses; if a fifth hired one person, that meets a million unemployed people.
I see augmentation, and we’re reskilling rather than firing. Still, businesses may recruit less; call centres are not replacing departures.
Someone with good AI may do what five did, but can do five times as much. Calculators frightened people too; doctors may become better doctors.
A husband-and-wife video agency built AI script software in four months. Its 5,500-person waitlist became 1,500 customers, and now it’s hiring ten people.
But whole categories are changing: robotics, self-driving vehicles, automation. What do we do?
Training and education. I ask hires how far down the AI rabbit hole they’ve gone. I’m betting on millions of ten-person software or YouTube businesses.