About this episode
Francis Foster is a comic and author of "Classroom Confidential: The Truth About Being a Teacher and Why You Should Never Become One." Konstantin Kisin is a political commentator and author of "An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West." Together, they host the podcast "Triggernometry."www.youtube.com/@triggerpod www.subfrancis.co.ukwww.francisfoster.co.uk www.konstantinkisin.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Episode summary
Why does it feel like every time we sit down, the world’s gone sideways again?
Be honest, this year really did kick off with a boom.
Everything feels wobbly everywhere, from the UK flirting with crackdowns to wars dragging on and talk of turning bombed land into a resort, then taking out a leader during Ramadan.
I heard claims some Gulf drone hits may not trace back to Iran, raising the fear of proxies or even false flags.
When officials go quiet, a vacuum opens, and conspiracies rush in to fill it.
Hot takes are cheap; the truth is murky enough that I can spin a hopeful story or a grim one and both sound plausible.
Some argue Israel staged attacks like Aramco or a British base hit to rope others in; if that’s the claim, what’s the actual upside?
It doesn’t add up, because Gulf states already feel targeted by Tehran and are broadly aligned with Israel against Iran’s proxies.
A former Al Qaeda double agent and a respected reporter told us Gulf desalination plants are fragile, so those countries have long feared Iran and do not need extra prodding.
We were sold quick wars before; Desert Storm bred false confidence that fed Iraq and Afghanistan, and the second time was a long, bloody tangle.
You don’t pop off a regime like a Lego block; Iran has a fanatical guard, secret police, and volatile factions that could rip the country apart like Iraq or Libya.
Venezuela is a different beast; it was more of a regime adjustment than a clean sweep.
They cut out the figurehead, kept the machine, leaned on it to open the taps and stop flirting with trouble, and Washington now holds the leash.
Friends spin wild loops about election tech and Maduro, but those claims were shot down in court and even cost a network a massive settlement.
If we look like the aggressor while enrichment ticks upward, that’s how you drift into a wider war, and boots on the ground would be insane.
Iran isn’t North Korea; it funds Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and parts of its leadership hold messianic end-time ideas, which is a terrible mix with a bomb.
Maybe the bigger play is to squeeze Chinese and Russian influence in places you can reach, but I’m still guessing and would love to hear the real strategy.
Cuba leaned on cheap Venezuelan oil and Cuban know-how helped harden Caracas; with that lifeline fraying, Havana could hit a breaking point.
What’s the endgame in Iran—restoring a monarchy, or grooming insiders to pivot the regime without blowing it up?
We even heard about a no‑kill list to preserve usable officials, but finding true moderates inside a theocracy is like hunting for a sugar‑free Darth Vader.
Team Trump sends mixed messages; maybe it’s misdirection, or maybe there’s no grand map.
Sanctions eased on Russian energy as prices spiked, which is political napalm at home with elections on the way.
Markets panicked in days, and if that sticks for months, it swallows domestic politics.
People in the UK are already squeezed, and higher energy and food costs feed a hard-left surge that says capitalism is broken.
There is a best case: keep shipping lanes open, reset the neighborhood, and nudge Iran into a managed softening.
Spell out what “managed softening” actually means.
Not a beachside democracy, but a more pragmatic authoritarian state that prizes prosperity over exporting revolution and can deal with the U.S.
If that lands, it defines the presidency in a good way, though the coin’s still in the air.
Gulf monarchies aren’t our model, but they deliver safety; a friend felt calmer walking Dubai than a crowded U.S. club.
The UAE confronts Islamism head-on and even pulled student sponsorships to UK universities over radicalization fears; that current is now visible here too.
A CNN post framed two teens with bombs like they were out for a warm-day stroll, then got yanked; that tone-shift tells you everything.
Coverage even flipped who was attacking whom outside the politician’s home, which looked like team sports more than news.
Ducking the ideology behind attacks is denial; Islamism treats the cause as higher than life, which liberal societies struggle to face.
And we’ve got our own zealots too—Christian end‑times talk slipping into briefings is just as deranged if it guides real orders.
What chills me is the lack of a clear off‑ramp; this could outdo Iraq if it unravels.
A big attack at home would invite new crackdowns fast, like last time when fear shrank freedoms.
On X, plenty of people now “work” the algorithm, not the argument, and foreign botnets juice the noise.
Some viral posts read like AI—technically sharp, soulless—and it warps what feels real.
Engagement pays, so outrage beats nuance, and the incentive is to trigger, not to inform.
Real‑name rules would kill whistleblowing and put dissidents in danger, even if I get why people want the abuse to stop.
Anonymity is a toxic shield and a vital refuge, often at the same time.
I found other outlets using similar Iran rally images, which points more to a mistaken photo than a plotted reframing.
That’s the fog now—old pics, AI fakes, and real footage all mashed together until no one trusts anything.
We’re close to a world where nothing can be verified at a glance.
Maybe cryptographic provenance helps, but even AI’s second‑order shocks are beyond anyone’s map.
If AI forms a survival instinct, by definition humans drop on its priority list.
A system that optimizes ruthlessly reaches for the most efficient tools, even nuclear ones, because it sees numbers, not horror.
Slick robot clips scream fake to me, yet media amplifies them, which shows how fast polished nonsense spreads.
We can joke about going Amish, but that just cedes the wider world to machines.
It feels like a kali yuga of confusion and decay.
From the outside, America now treats content like widgets and money as the main point, and that tells you something’s off.
You can hear when a show is engineered for clicks; chasing controversy and celebrity dulls the spark, while booking people I’m genuinely curious about keeps the conversation alive and listeners feel that.
Plenty of creators still treat it cynically and optimize for quick attention and cash, which is sustainable financially but empty creatively.
That path burns trust, and in a world flooded by AI and fakery, real human connection might be the last thing that still scans as true.
Those viral Chinese robot fight clips likely had AI help; the CES floor demo looked legit but way stiffer, which tells you what’s real versus dressed up.
If it’s authentic, I want to see that same agility live; talk of mass shipments of humanoids and robot cops feels like sci‑fi crossing into the room.
We used to watch movies about robots taking over; now it’s so close to life that no one wants to make them.
Predictive policing is creeping in, and that UK airport arrest after a podcast appearance crossed a line for a lot of people.
Even friends on the woke end thought that was outrageous; it’s a terrible look to have armed cops detain a comedy writer.
He wasn’t a UK citizen and the act wasn’t in Britain, which shows how far the rules have drifted.
You can see the embarrassment on officers doing speech arrests, while true heroics—like Austin cops stopping a shooter in a minute—don’t get the praise they deserve.
Media myths like “hands up, don’t shoot” poisoned discourse, and people forget most cops carry trauma while a minority of bad actors stain the rest.
Add paid protest machinery and identity addiction, and outrage becomes a lifestyle that fills a hole.
We once cast a cop as the rom‑com lead; now institutions are framed as villains, which is exactly the cultural flip Bezmenov warned about.
Most folks deny this stuff until it lands on their friends, then the lightbulb goes on.
Snowden showed mass surveillance is real; “I’ve got nothing to hide” is naive when unelected staff can sift every email and call.
Even if today’s leaders were saints, the next lot could weaponize those powers, which is why the checks matter.
Patriot Acts and NDAA‑style moves chew through the guardrails the founders built to restrain tyranny.
If Britain swings hard left, expect Ofcom‑style podcast regulation under the banner of fighting “hate” and “misinformation,” and we’d probably leave.
Kill the bot farms and paid astroturf—especially AI accounts masquerading as people—because that’s warping what looks like public opinion.
We keep shipping tech without grasping second‑ and third‑order effects, and now AIs can outplay us.
We need to verify what’s human and where engagement comes from, because foreign likes are steering debates and votes.
Radical takes drag the center; what was fringe yesterday becomes today’s “sensible” middle.
It happens on both ends—push hard enough and you reset what’s acceptable.
After England’s Euro final, racist abuse at three Black players was used to label Britain white‑supremacist, then data showed most posts came from overseas, which means outside actors stoked our fight.
That’s information warfare, and our love of freedom makes us slow to admit we’re under attack.
Bathroom break; then Sam Tripoli’s Facebook–LifeLog idea—the dates line up in a weird way, but I’m cautious even if DARPA’s old project list screams AI.
He’s connecting dots between early intel programs and social platforms; some of those research titles read like proto‑AI and surveillance scaffolding.
I heard about a U.S. nonlethal weapon in Venezuela that incapacitates people without killing them.
60 Minutes traced a mini microwave device from a Russian network; it’s portable, pulse‑shaped, works through windows, and lab tests reportedly match injuries.
They say footage shows agents suddenly grabbing their heads, and if the range is only hundreds of feet, it explains why it’s not an assassination tool.
Friends in Caracas woke to a boom during a no‑fly window and pieced it together via Instagram; people there say Maduro’s wife was the ruthless brain behind the regime.
Short‑term calm doesn’t guarantee stability, and oil riches tend to feed a corrupt elite rather than the nation.
Chavez swapped competence for loyalty at PDVSA, and when an oil‑dependent economy loses expertise, the whole thing collapses.
Brazil’s Lula‑Bolsonaro‑and‑X saga is a tangle, and we don’t know enough to unpack it.
Old leaders with little runway are making choices for kids yet to be born; oddly, Trump hasn’t aged like Obama or Blair, lives on fast food for predictability, and keeps joking through pressure and assassination scares.
Internet lore pairs Limbaugh with Morrison and Jones with Hicks, but the serious thread is Tom O’Neill’s case that intel meddled with Manson to smear hippies and flip the public story on the counterculture.
Altamont’s Hells Angels “security” and a fatal stabbing were cast as the movement’s last gasp.
Dana White versus Eddie Hearn is a proxy for boxing’s shakeup; if Zuffa boxing forces the big fights, that’s a win for fans.
Competition raises purses, but in MMA the UFC spotlight matters more than a quiet belt elsewhere; Netflix booking Ronda versus Gina proves legacy names still move crowds, even if ring rust is real.
Celebrity and size‑mismatch bouts print money, like Jake Paul flipping his usual advantage against a killer like Joshua.
Joshua’s an Olympic gold heavyweight with one‑punch power, so that fight looked like survival; Tyson‑Paul felt more like a spar, which raised eyebrows.
At fifty‑eight, sustained head shots are a terrible idea; even prime fighters suffer catastrophic injuries.
Dana can genuinely box, but talk of him fighting Hearn is likely just noise, and slap fighting isn’t a real sport when going first is a built‑in edge.
The thrill in boxing is finally seeing elites fight elites, which UFC delivers routinely.
Riyadh Season is forcing risky matchups with massive checks—great for fans, rough on prospects who aren’t ready.
UFC slow‑builds talent, but losses still happen even with careful matchmaking.
Short‑notice traps and mismatches can erase a prime; chokes and armbars end damage quickly, while boxing’s knockdowns invite repeated brain trauma over thirty‑six minutes.
In MMA, a loss dents momentum but doesn’t define you because one champion structure forces the best to collide.
Oliveira’s win over Holloway showed a bigger, sharper hitter with the sport’s all‑time submission arsenal, which is why he’s so dangerous everywhere.
Cageside you feel the body kicks thud through you, and we even got a Dylan Danis brawl for atmosphere.
He stirs chaos, but he’s a legit Marcelo Garcia black belt who can grapple for real.
A White House fight card during a war sounds dicey when you think about security.
Ilya Topuria is a once‑in‑a‑generation talent—ice‑cold mind, grappling roots, airtight defense, and the kind of power that flatlines all‑timers in a round.
I wanted Jon Jones on that card, but things seem strained with Dana.
They can still make a deal, and Jones versus Ngannou or Pereira would be colossal even without belts; Pereira’s shots sound inhuman up close, the kind of freak power you don’t hear often.
He came ready to risk it all and pressed forward, but once Alex settled into clean counters and the damage robbed his defense and movement, stopping it was the only call even if it was hard to watch.
For officials it’s a tough line between letting a fighter compete and protecting their health, and we watch because in this sport everything can flip in a moment.
You can be losing for ages and then a head kick rewrites the story, which is why I love fighting—talk is cheap and truth shows up when the cage door closes.
In debates people see what they want and an economy grows around declaring winners; as a commentator I know I’m an observer, and the hot-take warriors often crumble when they actually step in.
That’s why having Dave Smith on was refreshing; we disagreed and it stayed rigorous, respectful, and about the issue, not feeding the internet’s appetite for dunks.
I’d always rather have a calm disagreement than a mud fight; give me reasons and I’ll listen.
We all carry blind spots, so a thoughtful challenge can sharpen or even shift a view.
The move is to avoid bad-faith players who treat discourse like a game to win; starting from 'prove I’m right' instead of 'learn' means you’re trapped by an ideology.
I’m still waiting for a sharp, principled voice from the left to test the right on substance again.
Too many feel bound to slogans that ignore reality, which erodes honesty and creates big blind spots; you see it in fantasies about throwing borders open or denying obvious tradeoffs in sensitive issues.
I can’t imagine going on stage to defend something I don’t believe.
A lot of performers lean on speed and stock lines, tossing unrelated talking points instead of facts; selective prosecution and lawfare are dangerous because the other side will copy them.
All that pivoting dodges the actual issue on the table, which is what we should be arguing.
At some point you have to pick real opponents, not easy targets.
We gave one guest room to share her vision, and the moment we pressed on weak spots she went personal; I want people who stick to the argument.
When the case is thin people attack and try to rattle you, and tribes punish dissent so many double down instead of reconsidering.
Step outside the script and you’re suddenly not left anymore; a lot of us got labeled right wing for rejecting brand-new dogmas that didn’t even exist twenty years ago.
Even long-time lesbian feminists get recast as right wing for questioning parts of the movement.
It behaves like a creed that excommunicates heretics, which scares people into repeating absurd lines just to stay inside the circle.
On the right you see fierce internal fights and then a beer afterward.
Purity tests live on both sides, and the right is tearing itself up too; plenty of voices are chasing the biggest crowd.
Still, working out direction inside a broad tent can be healthy.
Open debates make the excesses visible, which helps the middle resist them.
We need a capable left focused on everyday life, from inequality to letting families choose how to raise kids; without that, the right fills the vacuum and that imbalance hurts everyone.
One side ruling uncontested is never healthy.
Both camps have wild fringes, so balance and checks matter.
Let’s wrap it—love you guys; quick shout to your book and a warm goodbye.