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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

4th and South - NFL Schedule REACT, Mike Vrabel-Dianna Russini DRAMA & Antonio Brown’s CRAZY Take

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Former NFL stars and LSU legends Jarvis Landry and Leonard Fournette sit down for a raw, unfiltered conversation about the most ANTICIPATED NFL games from the upcoming NFL schedule release. Landry gets EXCITED about the return of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, as the guys also dive into the potential Cam Ward vs. Sheduer Sanders showdown when the Tennessee Titans take on the Cleveland Browns. Fournette opens up about how much he HATED playing overseas in London, revealing the grueling schedule of international NFL games. Leonard mentions how the younger him would have RESPECTED Patriots coach Mike Vrabel for the Dianna Russini DRAMA. Juice and Lenny also debate over who was the better wide receiver Calvin Johnson or Antonio Brown after a questionable take on TikTok. The guys also take on some of the GREATEST college football tapes of all time, including Tavon Austin, Lamar Jackson, and Reggie Bush, determining if they are overrated or underrated. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Back on Fourth and South—the Louisiana legends are in the building, and this one’s about to get wild.

Week one, Giants against the Cowboys—money spent in Dallas never seems to buy January wins; what’s your call?

Dallas usually hums in the regular season but finds new ways to trip late; with Malik Nabers possibly easing back and Harbaugh leaning on a stacked front with Brian Burns and depth, the Giants’ defense could set the tone in a charged divisional opener.

But if big Dex is out, how do you replace that anchor—and can New York’s shaky line handle Quinnen wrecking shop?

You don’t replace a disrupter like that—he’s elite among interior linemen; whoever controls the trenches and keeps their quarterback clean wins, and with Dak slinging it, we might get fireworks under the lights.

Monday night could give us Mahomes back against a hungry Denver—what would that mean?

Denver’s no layup with Surtain, Bonitto, and Allen, so I expect KC to lean on the run early with Kenneth Walker while Mahomes finds rhythm; the real duel is Andy Reid’s script versus Sean Payton’s counters.

Denver felt like a title team before injuries derailed them, so even in week one this matchup carries real weight for the AFC picture.

Cleveland–Tennessee in week seven is circled, but here’s the question—does Shador hold the job by then with all that money tied to Deshaun?

It’s Watson’s gig to lose right now, though Shador’s upside is real; by midseason the Browns will pick the hot hand, and with Miles Garrett terrorizing pockets, protection will decide who survives that stretch—I still lean Cleveland in that clash.

Florida check-in—Bucs versus Browns means Baker gets a swing at his old team, but losing Mike Evans stings.

Evans is irreplaceable, yet Baker still has speed and a back who can catch to push the ball downfield; Tampa started hot last year, then slid, and adding fresh pass rush could make life rough on Cleveland’s quarterback early.

Tampa showed me love—the cannon’s deafening, the city was rocking after the ring, and I’m hoping that vibe shows up again.

Overseas games—I’m not with it; London food missed, folks smoking everywhere, and the travel threw my body clock in a blender.

Those trips challenge recovery and footing—the pitches are built for soccer, slick as ice, and guys end up swapping cleats midgame.

Teams kept us awake to adjust, flights were long, practices stacked, and in Germany the surface was so bad I lost my footing on a throw to Brady—no hops and all, that one was doomed.

With games expanding to Australia, Brazil, Paris, Spain, and Mexico City, where are you choosing?

Brazil or Spain—go big internationally because those fans are different, and if you go off, you leave with an army of new supporters.

I love the global push—brings the sport to new talent pools and puts the game in front of kids who’ll be the next wave.

Minicamp just wrapped and it felt like busywork—first-rounders take a few reps, vets bounce early, and the days drag.

As a second-rounder I ate every rep to prove my route tree, and camps like these are where undrafted stories are born—think Thielen, Butler, Foster, Romo, Cruz, Welker, and James Harrison.

Not playing special teams caught up with me at the end; I worked out great for Cincy, but they wanted special teams value I never built.

Rookies, volunteer for every special teams meeting you can—guys like Raheem Mostert and LSU’s James Wright stayed ready there and turned it into real careers; coaches, don’t shield stars from special teams if it stalls their growth.

Let’s talk Mike Vrabel—given what’s out there, do you see a double standard if this were a Black coach?

Young me would have laughed it off as a coach who “gets it,” but the vet in me says you’ve got to be a model for the room—and yeah, a Black coach likely wouldn’t get this runway.

I’m shocked by the reporting and want league clarity; it feels like one of those Patriot things that vanishes unless the shield steps in, and that’s exactly why fans see two different standards.

TikTok debate time—A.B. called himself the best ever; is Antonio Brown better than Calvin Johnson?

A.B. had a stretch where nobody could cover him and he’s an all-time talent, but Megatron was a unicorn who put up monster totals in fewer years—head-to-head, I lean Calvin.

He even claimed the crown over Miami greats like Irvin and Andre.

Out of South Florida he absolutely has a case given that dominant run and the wave he inspired, even if Calvin holds the matchup.

College mixtapes—overrated or underrated: Tavon Austin, Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson.

All underrated as tape legends—Tavon was joystick stuff, Reggie changed the sport, Percy was a matchup nightmare, and Vick and Lamar made college defenses look junior varsity.

People skip me in those late‑2000s back debates; I stacked nearly 3,900 rushing in 32 games, sat part of my junior year, hit a thousand in five games, and still get left out next to Henry, Zeke, and CMC—put some respect on that.

Those were grown‑man numbers in the SEC—averaging around two‑thirty over that heater is outrageous.

Quick hits to close: cereal before milk, Kat over Kevin for raw stand‑up, Watson starts while Shador waits his turn, and I’m still riding with a healthy KC to finish the job.

We appreciate the love—big news soon, hit us at fourthandsouth at thevolume dot com with questions and takes, keep it clean, and keep rocking with us; more Fourth and South on the way.

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