About this episode
AI Expert Mo Gawdat returns to The Diary Of A CEO to reveal why AGI has already arrived, why 30% of jobs will disappear by 2027, and why the most dangerous thing about AI isn't the technology - it's the people in charge of it. Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer at Google X, founder of One Billion Happy, and co-founder of Emma.Love. He is a 4x international bestselling author, and his upcoming book ‘Alive: A Human's Guide to Living in the World of AI’, will be released in October 2026. He explains: ◾How AI can give you a 400-point IQ boost, and why most people are wasting it ◾ Why Mo actually wants a machine smarter than all of humanity to take control ◾Why Sam Altman said AI will "likely end humanity", and what he chose to do next ◾Why capitalism breaks when AI replaces the workers who buy the things we make ◾Why AI unemployment could trigger civil unrest before governments are ready for it Chapters 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:06 Why Mo Warned About AI Before Anyone Else 00:05:03 Can AI Be a Net Positive for Humanity? 00:08:33 Massive Job Disruption Worldwide 00:15:05 Will AI Cost Savings Create New Jobs? 00:16:15 What Happens to Blue Collar Jobs? 00:21:57 How 10–15% Job Loss Reshapes Society 00:24:20 How Civil Unrest Could Unfold 00:26:04 Sam Altman's Flip-Flopping on AI 00:32:15 Is Sam Altman Pro-Humanity? 00:33:51 Imagining a Future Where Humanity Is Fine 00:42:01 Will One Superintelligence Rule the World? 00:45:52 If AGI Is Already Here, What Now? 00:48:19 Why Human Lived Experience Still Matters 00:52:33 Why Not Just Hire AGI Instead of People? 00:55:00 Can We Control AI Smarter Than Us? 00:58:42 Could AI Decide to Leave the Server? 00:59:16 The Risk of Models Even Creators Don't Understand 01:04:30 AI Isn't Evil But We Need a Plan 01:08:48 Ads 01:10:50 The Symptoms of AGI by 2030 01:13:59 If the US Stops, Will We Become China's Lapdog? 01:16:22 Should Governments Invest More in AI? 01:17:16 Can an Economy of Entrepreneurs Work? 01:20:36 Do We Need to Join the AI Arms Race? 01:23:31 Will Global Competition Build Better AI? 01:32:23 Ads 01:34:34 Who Will Prioritize Ethical AI? 01:38:21 Whose Economy Works for the Middle Class? 01:41:57 Can Ethical AI Still Be Engaging? 01:46:39 Has This Ever Happened Without Government? 01:52:24 What Absolute Dystopia Looks Like 01:55:35 Are You Optimistic About AI? 01:57:08 Does Happiness Matter More in the AI Age? 02:00:17 The Legacy Mo Gawdat Wants to Leave Enjoyed the episode? Share this link and earn points for every referral - redeem them for exclusive prizes: https://doac-perks.com Follow Mo: Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/4Hv5OK8 Website - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/GRKeGgO Podcast - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/CgXWNIe You can pre-order Mo’s book, ‘Alive: A Human's Guide to Living in the World of AI’, here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/BvCLbtT The Diary Of A CEO: ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ◼ The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt ◼ The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: https://linkly.link/2io2A ◼ Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ◼ Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Shopify - https://shopify.com/bartlett Function Health - https://Functionhealth.com/DOAC to sign up for $365 a year. One dollar a day for your health Ketone - https://ketone.com/STEVEN for 30% off your subscription order
Episode summary
Welcome back; last time we dug into happiness, and now AI has everyone’s attention after tools like ChatGPT landed in our pockets, so I want to press you on jobs, safety, incentives, and whether this can still net out positive for people.
AI isn’t the villain; it’s how humans choose to use it, and I’m upbeat about the long game but not about the next year in a world where power is misused and trust in democracy feels broken.
Why did you start warning about AI so early?
At Google I watched systems learn like kids and realized we were birthing an apex intelligence that capitalism could easily bend, which is why many of us who built this tech grew concerned.
Can this still end well?
Yes, but the early phase is painful, like nuclear tech debuting as bombs; first uses will serve the few—warfare, surveillance, cost-cutting—while the real breakthroughs brewing in labs move far faster than public hype suggests.
I’m seeing entry-level knowledge work erode as agents do computer tasks and hiring shifts toward AI fluency; is that where disruption starts?
You’re right; routine white-collar roles go first, with visible impact by 2027, then mid-tier knowledge jobs compress, and even executive work is not sacred once systems out-reason us.
Which roles are most exposed?
Diagnostics, content and design, paralegal research, analysis, and even management shrink as tools scale, and once labor arbitrage fades we’ll feel a demand shock because fewer workers can buy what the system produces.
But won’t savings just get redeployed elsewhere?
Firms will still prefer a smaller payroll when machines do predictable work cheaply and without human volatility.
What about blue-collar jobs with humanoid robots coming fast?
Specialized robots and autonomy will displace work before humanoids scale—self-driving fleets, warehouse bots, security systems—so the replacement wave arrives earlier and often without a human form, and remember the tech itself is neutral.
Graduates are walking into layoffs touted as ‘AI efficiency,’ and a humanoid reveal could shock society; double-digit unemployment feels plausible.
Companies are already swapping people for compute—tokens instead of hours—and big tech is a preview; governments need contingency plans like rapid support and retraining or unrest follows.
Won’t the democratic process correct course?
People feel lied to and unrepresented, and I’m not calling for chaos, I’m warning leaders that trust is fracturing.
Sam Altman’s message keeps flipping on job loss; what do we make of that?
Treat rhetoric as PR and judge actions; I respect Anthropic for rejecting surveillance use at real cost, while others took the money, so follow who sacrifices profit to uphold shared values.
Fair—values show in what you’re willing to give up.
There’s pressure from rivals and states, but there’s still a line between resisting and celebrating harmful uses, and it’s reckless to hand our future to leaders who are openly indifferent to human wellbeing.
Is a soft landing possible where progress is steady and society adapts?
An arms race makes that unlikely; once the best systems exist they’ll be deployed and start making critical decisions, which could still help humanity because higher intelligence tends to minimize waste like war and widen its circle of care.
Do we end up with one intelligence?
Models and agents will interconnect into a de facto global brain that routes tasks to whatever is best, and my work aims to supply an empathic layer so machines actually get human values.
Have your timelines changed?
Mostly timing tweaks; I still expect AGI by 2027, and it already outperforms us at many tasks.
If that’s true, why hire humans at all?
Generic work fades, but people who wield AI will excel, and the urgent risk is an economic spiral rather than the tech itself.
So, for now, it’s a tool that boosts us.
Exactly, we borrow its IQ but our irreducible edge is the human heart and lived experience that creates resonance.
Then connection-centric roles endure.
If the economy holds, human connection becomes the ultimate skill and base currency.
Can we control something far smarter than us?
Don’t aim to control; align it like good parenting, and act now on treaties because the real near-term threat is humans directing cheap autonomous weapons at each other.
These models already behave in ways their makers don’t fully explain, and our permissioning is fragile, so a nasty catalyst seems likely.
A shock may be what finally forces alignment and cooperation, and abundant intelligence could deliver shared prosperity if we choose it over competition.
What will 2027 to 2030 feel like?
People plugged into AGI will build in weeks while others struggle to find work, sectors like call centers and basic design could lose up to thirty percent of roles by 2030, so learn the tools, lean into human-facing work, and push nations to invest in compute and open source or be left behind.
Are you really saying people here should push the UK government to jump into AI, and what happens to jobs if they do?
Yes—press for independence so we are not just importing tech; start by replacing overpriced, basic software with local tools, and treat entrepreneurship as the new default job creator.
If a US tool is better, people will use that; over time, the best product wins.
You do not need frontier models to cover most work; rebuild everyday apps like documents, spreadsheets, and ERP with modern AI and cut the license drain.
The UK’s growth gap also comes from energy costs, housing, and slow permitting; should we prioritize AI or fix those first?
Do both by freeing budget through smarter software and growing output; entrepreneurs can deliver better interfaces and real-time finance, then scale it globally.
But the world already builds this, and blocking imports risks falling behind.
Sanctions pushed places like Iran and Russia to build capable alternatives, and China shows what targeted ambition can do; most tasks do not need the top-tier model anyway.
Even small advantages pull users across; that favors a few giants.
Then focus on layers that barely move, like presentations and word processing, and let builders ship faster than bureaucracies.
Government tech often fails, and founders go where capital and talent live; that is why users drift away.
Without bold rules and big aims, most nations outside the US and China become dependent; China sets national targets like market share and just executes.
Here is the bind: race hard and risk harm, or sit out and decline—how do we resolve that?
Choose the middle path—build AI that serves communities and avoids the zero-sum mindset.
But incentives reward speed and GDP; who actually chooses ethics first without losing ground?
I keep pushing leaders and the public anyway; awareness can shift priorities even if the odds look poor.
Right now we are hoping labs act responsibly and that social pressure bites; what about mandatory ethical benchmarks before release?
That helps, and people must also vote with usage—support companies that refuse abusive uses and withhold attention from those that cross red lines.
Public pressure can spark rules, but tech power can outmuscle governments; where does change come from then?
If governments stall, citizens act—build alternatives, contact representatives, speak up, and stop fueling systems you believe are harmful.
My biggest fear is job disruption; how should people prepare?
Learn AI deeply and work in hybrid teams with agents; sharpen human skills, compress meetings, verify information with AI, and use it to think better, not to go idle.
So embrace AI and double down on being human and truthful.
Exactly—solve real problems and value will follow; I am optimistic long term but wary about the next year under erratic leadership in a hyper-fast, complex landscape.
Given that chaos, are the happiness principles from your book even more vital now?
Yes; build a calm, stoic baseline of acceptance and agency rather than chase dopamine, and let go of saving the whole world to increase your impact—many of us misjudged how fast alignment challenges would arrive.
We end with a question from our tradition—what legacy do you want to leave?
None; I do not need my name remembered—just leave net-positive change and keep the karma for whatever comes next; thank you.