About this episode
Bradley Cooper is an Academy Award-nominated actor, writer, producer, and director. His film credits include “American Sniper,” “A Star Is Born,” and “The Hangover.” His latest film, “Is This Thing On?,” which he directed and co-stars in, is now in theaters.https://www.searchlightpictures.com/is-this-thing-on Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $300 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min. -500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 2/1/26. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 1/25/26 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Episode summary
It feels like a Twilight Zone bit where you’re watching the show and then you’re suddenly inside it, and the scale of people watching makes you think, don’t blow it. What’s wild is this long‑form setup works in a culture that worships short hits, because people still want depth.
Short snackable stuff hooks you, but I’ve been weaning off it like a junkie and my brain feels calmer. The scroll drip gives you low‑grade anxiety; what people really crave is engagement you can sink into, like a great doc or a three‑hour film.
Quick hits feel like the illusion of getting what I want instead of what I need, which is connection and being present with someone. I once fell into a TikTok police‑video hole for forty minutes and thought, I can’t touch this or I’ll never leave the house.
That feed also rewires how you see the world, because the worst moments go viral and you start believing that’s everywhere.
It even scrambles memory; I couldn’t tell if I’d been to Niagara Falls or just watched it, maybe even in VR. The line between seeing and remembering shifts.
There’s a Dunbar limit on how many people you can keep in your head, and I’m way past it, so names fall out like an old phone with no storage. In Hollywood folks protect themselves with “good to see you” because nobody remembers everyone.
Yeah, I blank on names and lean on those soft greetings; Leonard Bernstein’s move was, I loved your last thing, which buys time with a smile.
I watched your film Is This Thing On and it’s a legit portrayal of someone taking their first swing at standup, but it’s really about complicated people navigating relationships. It felt lived‑in, not cartoonish.
I fell for comedy in New York in the late 90s and wanted the movie to feel like the Cellar’s world, from the Olive Tree down those stairs. Authenticity was the goal, right down to the geography.
The clubs felt real, Will’s tension on stage felt real, and Jordan Jensen was fantastic and totally believable in that world.
Jordan’s part grew because she was so fluid on camera; I even had a shot where she looked like Gaga singing and it clicked. You can’t capture all of standup in a movie, but you can trap that silence on stage and make the viewer feel stuck in it with the comic.
Did you shoot the standup with real crowds?
We used real staff and managers from the Cellar and filled the room with regular comedy fans, gave no notes, took few takes, and never sweetened laughs. Will actually did sets—first under a fake name at the Mothership, then grinding in New York—so he could feel the reps, and some crowds had no idea who he was.
The story was sparked by a comic who stumbled onto stage to dodge a cover charge, found a voice, and saved a marriage; the larger point was how stepping into discomfort can give you a healthy outlet.
You nailed the beginner’s terror, which is why seeing first‑timers is so compelling. Doing a minute in an arena next to killers is a nightmare scenario, but audiences love that raw risk.
Even hearing your own voice bouncing around can shake you when you’re brand new, and that alone feels like a bad dream.
You don’t hear echo on stage, but that first amplified sound of yourself with headliners watching is brutal. Still, the authentic reactions in real time are magic.
I wanted to show the craft too—writing, bombing, and stacking multiple sets a night. The work ethic is the engine.
New York’s always had a jump‑from‑club‑to‑club culture; Austin has a version of that now too.
The scene feels more supportive than it used to, even with honesty intact. It’s not about hoping someone fails.
In the 90s, sitcoms were the golden carrot, so comics turned competitive and nasty because one slot could change your life. The internet flipped that to collaboration—podcasts, clips, and YouTube specials made friends into assets—and Ari Shafir helped bring that vibe to New York.
I lucked into TV—an MTV set led to a deal, then a sitcom, then NewsRadio—but I always kept standup in my back pocket. L.A. back then was cutthroat; New York was ball‑busting fun, and a dead‑quiet night at Dangerfield’s performing for two people taught me which parts of my act were real and which were just moves.
Live comedy is like hypnosis; a special only delivers part of what it feels like when someone’s mind has the room locked in.
I love seeing how specials are shot, especially when the camera lets you feel the room instead of chopping out breaths. Over‑editing breaks the rhythm, even in podcasts.
Cutting every pause treats people like they can’t focus; better to keep it interesting than to over‑trim.
I’ve never tried standup and don’t feel the pull, mostly because I know I could get addicted to chasing it.
Creative pursuits become an obsession fast, and I love that about them.
At eleven I watched The Elephant Man on TV and knew this is my life; that scene with Hopkins cracked me open. I even wrote him later, and years on I still get a jolt being around heroes like Tarantino or Eastwood.
On American Sniper I fought to fix the baby, lost, and now kind of love how strange it is. Playing a real person comes with weight; when Chris Kyle was killed, the duty to his family became my fuel.
To believe I was him, I bulked from 185 to 238 naturally on 6,000 calories, lifted heavy, trained on the .300, .50, and the carbine, learned long‑range ballistics, and worked his voice daily. I stayed in the voice off camera, and Clint would roast me at dinner to keep it light.
I see “method” as a set of tools; the Actor’s Studio taught me to use my fears and sensitivity rather than hide them. That training still guides my rehearsals and workshops.
The best performances feel like hypnosis; Ethan Hawke told me you have to actually be there or the audience won’t buy it. When it’s real—like scenes in Training Day—you feel it behind the eyes.
Love has to be the fuel, not clout, and you have to risk failing big. Once you stop playing careful, space opens up and the work gets alive.
You find the truth by trying it all and eating it when it doesn’t land; Chris Rock worked a classic bit for a year before it clicked. Then you put a special out and start from zero again.
The zone feels like you’re along for the ride, not controlling it, and that’s the high. I choose projects from obsessions—Vietnam drew me to Sniper, Joseph Merrick led me to The Elephant Man, and a hunger to direct became A Star Is Born—and even when I was depressed early on in L.A., burying myself in the craft pulled me through.
LA can feel like a lab for insecurity, with everyone chasing approval and hiding their real selves to fit gatekeepers, while New York throws every kind of person on the same sidewalk and reminds you you’re human.
I landed in LA knowing no one, got my first break after a mountain of auditions, and realized how the city’s geography isolates you in a car or a room, unlike New York where the street wakes you up and forces presence.
That street mix in New York pushes you into life, but in LA you drive, sit, overthink, and lose the accidental connections that make you sane.
I built rituals just to feel human again, like early tee times and any excuse to be around people and not stew on a weird moment from set.
Hobbies saved me too; pool halls and martial arts gave me normal folks, real feedback, and something to get better at.
I fell in love with filmmaking by camping in edit bays, shadowing showrunners, and learning the craft even when I only had one line that week.
I’m obsessed with people who love their craft, like a woodworker shaping live edge slabs and narrating his choices; passion is contagious.
The best part of this job is access to masters, from orchestras to kitchens to snipers; standing next to lifers expands you.
Andre 3000 wandering around with a flute is the purest example; he found the thing he loves and lives in it.
Hard things reveal who you are, and resisting shortcuts builds a mindset you can apply everywhere; even Goggins says the lazy default still tries to pull him back.
I feel that default too and also the pull to rest at day’s end, but I can’t argue with results, so I try to hold both truths and not beat myself up.
Learning to shoot taught me relaxation, breath, and small details like foot position; the first time the recoil travels through you, you get why the basics matter.
Getting competent at hard skills changes your lens on everything; the feedback loop of progress teaches patience.
I watch my daughter draw, get frustrated, want to quit, and I try to show her that sticking with it is part of the process; her cartwheel took ages, now she nails it.
Watching a child get obsessed and level up is magic, and it reframes happiness.
Having a kid late let me be present, and there are a bunch of tiny highs every day that rival any on‑set rush; dinner across from her in a beanie felt like the whole point.
Kids stretched my capacity for love and compassion, and now I see everyone as a former baby shaped by circumstances, which makes me more forgiving even when people are awful.
It’s hard for me to hold onto anger because being alive is already hard, and time softened that edge.
Being a person is hard and everyone blows it sometimes, often right when you think you’ve got it handled.
The flood of news and the fact that nothing lasts can be dizzying, so I look for simple anchors.
The upside is access; we can seek out perspectives that were hidden when there were only a few channels, and curiosity becomes a teacher.
The gift of this show is I only sit with people I’m fascinated by, so the curiosity is real and it carries the conversation.
Long, unedited talks work because true curiosity is the fuel; you feel like you’re in the room, pauses and all.
I like AI and use it with my kid, but it’s not the same as a human exchange you can feel in your body.
I treat AI like a voice‑driven research companion when I write, a desk‑side genius that answers weird, specific questions on the fly.
I’m still at small talk with it, curious how it responds, but I haven’t gone deep.
AI companions and dolls could stunt social learning because they remove the friction that teaches empathy, which is a creepy path to isolation.
I’ve stopped fearing it; it feels like the next rung of porn and control, which doesn’t bring serenity, while the bigger quake is jobs and purpose.
Art connects and keeps us from feeling alone; VR and perfect control don’t scratch that itch because I still know I’m the one pulling the strings.
Great art is a bridge; escapism is a cut cable.
Singing a duet in love demands you’re loose and present, and doing those live performances for that film was an electric jolt you can’t fake.
AI art and music can wow, but they miss the human spark on a stage right in front of you.
We fought to protect likeness and compensation in the strike because it’s a Wild West, and prompts are built on real people’s work.
Even if AI hosts a show, people still come here for an unfiltered hit of humanity sitting across from humanity.
If I know it’s synthetic, I won’t trust it for connection; I’ll sample it, then crave a real voice.
We’ve lived through trains, planes, and smartphones, so I try not to get spun up; the water’s moving and fighting the tide wastes energy.
It’s inevitable and weird at once, and the entertainment angle is just the surface; underneath is a new kind of life we’re building.
The day‑to‑day will change more than the stories on screens, and the timeline feels shorter than we think.
Even the folks pushing it are nervous, and some say biologists should be studying this because it behaves like a life form; wordless communication is probably coming.
I don’t trust every thought, so judging actions feels safer than broadcasting mental noise to each other.
It’ll be another wild shift like the internet, and it’s likely to land within a couple decades.
I rode the beeper and BlackBerry era and still prefer keys over talk‑to‑text, but I get why voice wins on speed.
When jobs vanish, meaning can’t be tied only to work; people will need purpose that taps contribution and craft.
My purpose lives at home and in community, and that drive to connect feels like the thing in all of us.
We might see a surge in love for handmade work and human stories because provenance will matter more.
Most kids are creative until it’s trained out of them, and a few believers at the right moment can keep that flame from shrinking.
Transitions will be messy for people set in their routines, and the question is how we absorb the bumps.
What happens to moviemaking when AI scales up?
It’s already in the toolkit, but belief beats tech; if I don’t buy the people on screen, I check out, and that’s why a blue world with real feeling lands while a slick movie with hollow performances doesn’t.
That’s why people felt Avatar depression; they connected so deeply to that world they wished they could live there.
Color, world‑building, and feeling matter, and I can’t wait for the next chapters.
History shows how tech like steel, horses, and revolvers overwhelmed older ways, yet many who tasted tribal life wanted to stay; harmony with land still calls to people.
Nature is a vitamin, and the writers who explore that world pull me in.
The info firehose can steal your breath, which is why I go back to simple things like books that let words light up my imagination.
Audio fits my schedule, but the point is using the tools without letting them use you.
Gatekeepers used to say what counts as smart; now you can roam and sample other angles as long as you don’t turn any of it into gospel.
Even the oldest stories were passed by mouth and translated, so meaning is layered and slippery.
Language is labels we hope we share, and we’re all just trying to trade a story that makes us feel less alone.
I’m glad we did this; conversations like this add a thin layer to how I understand being human.
Same here; sitting here long enough, the room disappears and it’s just eyes across a table, which is the real gift of this format.
Your new film opens today as this drops, so go see it, and thanks for hanging—this was a joy.