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SOLVED with Mark Manson

Failure, Solved

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PodcastSOLVED with Mark Manson
HostsMark Manson, Drew Birnie
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Fail fast. Fail forward. Fail better. As a society, we’ve turned failure into a slogan to celebrate, but somehow we’re more afraid of it than ever.

So what's going on? Most of us say failure is our best teacher, but I doubt many of you have ever walked away from a failure doing a happy dance. IInstead, you probably let the moment rattle around in your head at some ungodly hour, then played it a little safer the next time. Don't worry, you're not the only one.

Today, Drew and I break down why every piece of advice you've ever received about failure has, well… failed you.

We cover why indulging in "failure porn" is such a harmful move and what it actually takes to learn from our mistakes (it's not what you think). We explain the evolutionary reason a rejected email can feel threatening. We tell the story of how a country's inability to admit failure got thousands killed, and of a monk so tormented by his failures that he confessed them for six hours a day. We dive into the three different kinds of failure and why the setback itself matters less than the actions you take after. And we even discuss when quitting is and isn't a failure, and the five-question test that reveals the difference.

Apologies in advance: this episode will not teach you how to avoid failure. On a long enough timeline, the failure rate of everything is 100%. So let's get really great at failing.

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CHAPTERS

Chapters

00:00:00 Introduction: The Failure to Understand Failure
00:01:15 Chapter 1: The Most Overdone Topic in Self-Help
00:07:39 The Failure Porn Industrial Complex
00:16:06 Why Failure Worship Made Everything Worse
00:41:47 Chapter 2: Why Failure Hurts So Much
01:02:35 The Sociometer Theory: Your Brain's Status-Tracking System
01:14:28 The Ego, Original Sin, and Why You Can't Escape Failure
01:31:57 Chapter 3: When You Define Yourself, You Define Your Failures
02:07:08 Confession, Therapy, and the Technology of Atonement
02:23:48 Chapter 4: Andre Agassi and the Two Types of Failure
02:30:00 Guilt vs. Shame: Converting Your Pain Into Growth
03:04:36 Chapter 5: Amy Edmondson and the Three Types of Failures
03:19:46 The Science of Learning From Failure: Dosage, Recovery, and Extraction
03:30:37 When to Quit: The Five Questions That Reveal If You're Being Smart or Just Scared
03:38:53 Closing Thoughts: Choosing Your Failures Wisely

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Drew, we skipped the clever cold open and landed in the medical emergency: failure. We know the Edison, Jordan, and “fail fast” stories, but when something we care about blows up publicly, we do not extract wisdom on the spot. We replay it at three in the morning and make the next bet smaller. Shaming failure and worshipping it both miss the point.

FailCon captured that. It invited founders to celebrate setbacks, but plenty of stories became humble brags: broke, one last break, huge company. Jeff Lewis called it “failure porn,” and it fits. Once success arrives, the awful part becomes entertainment. That low point may not have been failure at all; it was a dramatic chapter in a winning story.

That is survivorship bias. We look at returned World War Two bombers, see where they were hit, and armor the wrong places; the planes hit elsewhere never came home. Same with Jordan getting cut or the productivity guy with the upside-down waffle. Millions share visible traits without the outcome. The useful variables are often hidden.

We prefer a clean arc because luck is unsatisfying. After decades of celebrating failure, fear has not disappeared: starting a business is seen as easier, yet roughly half of people still say failure keeps them from trying. Toxic perfectionism has climbed, especially among younger people. High achievers are not immune. Growing up with precariousness can teach you that performance keeps you safe: keep delivering or slide backward.

Phones, or at least the internet, probably crank this up. A rejection once faded; now there can be a permanent record for employers, dates, bosses, and strangers. Add competition and thinner safety nets, and every move feels heavier. I am hard to rattle over my own money or projects, but failing people I love lives in me. Failure is not simply an event. It depends on the standards measuring us.

Loss aversion is ancient hardware. Kahneman and Tversky found losing tends to hit roughly twice as hard as gaining the equivalent. Even capuchins preferred a sure apple plus an occasional extra over seeing two apples and sometimes losing one, though the average matched. A windfall helped briefly; losing resources could kill you. Our brains bring that imbalance to modern stakes.

Golf makes it useful: with identical putts, pros made pars more often than birdies because avoiding a lost stroke drew more focus than gaining one. Later, the bias shifted from the hole to leaderboard position. The aversion stays; the target changes with the definition of failure. Your standards determine what feels catastrophic, not necessarily what is.

Then there is the sociometer, an internal status tracker. Exclusion hurts more than inclusion feels good, even with arbitrary strangers judging meaningless tasks. In a small ancestral group, losing standing could mean losing protection. That is why an anonymous comment can sting after a hundred nice ones. You can know Joey Baloney is irrelevant and still feel it.

Failure threatens self-definition even alone in a room. Buddhism offers a brutal insight: every time you finish “I am,” you set up disappointment, because nothing lasts. I am not recommending wall-staring enlightenment, but loosen your grip on narrow identities. Christianity offers atonement: sin originally meant missing a target. Confession, therapy, or honest disclosure can expose an irrational metric and repair the sociometer when someone hears the mess without rejecting you.

Buddhism light: do not pretend money, work, relationships, or achievement mean nothing; do not let one value tyrannize every other value. We need shared definitions, but we can notice standards absorbed blindly. “I should own a home by thirty-five” may be water we have been swimming in. Disclosure works best with compassion and some assertiveness: somebody who says you are not uniquely broken, and also, this story you are telling yourself is bullshit.

Andre Agassi shows why the goal matters. His father trained him obsessively, and number one or Wimbledon mostly gave him more to defend. When tennis was proof of worth, success enlarged the downside. After his collapse, tennis served his foundation. Winning could serve something beyond ranking, so he could enjoy it rather than guard it.

That is mastery versus performance goals. Mastery asks whether I am improving and learning; performance compares me with rankings and outside standards. If effort and failure become a verdict on your worth, you may withdraw before you begin. Social media nudges us toward performance mode, but you can turn competition inward.

Performance goals recruit the sociometer: getting to the top gives you more to lose. Mastery does not remove pain, but it can turn shame into guilt: “I messed that up; what can I repair?” Shame says, “I am the bad thing,” and makes you hide. Achievement cannot cure it. Self-compassion is not letting yourself off the hook; it means you are flawed and can still act better.

Amy Edmondson gives us the practical part. The best hospital teams initially seemed to make more mistakes, but they were better at reporting them. Psychological safety surfaces errors before denial buries them. Basic failures need a checklist; complex failures need a better system; intelligent failures are small, deliberate experiments in new territory that teach you something.

Failure does not automatically make you stronger any more than dumbbells do. You need the right dose, recovery, an identity that survives the hit, and honest extraction. Before a project, run a pre-mortem. Afterward, quantify what it truly cost and ask what change prevents a repeat. Usually the spreadsheet shows your catastrophe was smaller than the feeling.

Quit smarter, too. Letting go of a goal and reengaging somewhere useful are both skills. Ask whether it is attainable with your actual time and willingness, whether you would still want it if success arrived now, what you would advise a friend, and whether continuing buys new information. Loss aversion keeps us hanging on.

Would you do this on a desert island, where nobody could know? It cuts through status chasing. Better: what is worth doing when you expect it may fail? A marriage can be worth entering despite knowing it could end. Drew’s breakup hurt like hell, but loving and losing was better than never getting the chance. Pick failures that serve what you value.

My inventory is mastery versus performance. Is this goal mine, or am I satisfying a script and seeking approval? That recent relationship made it land. Performance goals in love are sneaky; other people are always ready to tell you what success should look like.

There are no people who simply succeed all the time. Even the person you envy is living through misses, adjustments, and losses. You cannot eliminate that. Choose your metrics, hold them loosely, own what you can repair, and decide what pain is worth paying for. Now send this episode to your biggest failure of a friend and see how that goes.

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