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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

No.1 Money Saving Experts: Do Not Buy A House! Putting Money In A Bank Makes You Poorer!

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Are we falling for the biggest money traps of our generation? And what are the money habits that actually build millions? Raoul Pal, Jaspreet Singh, and Humphrey Yang reveal the truth about renting vs buying, escaping credit card debt, mastering passive income, and investing with $0! This personal finance roundtable brings 3 leading finance experts to discuss building wealth and planning for your financial future. Jaspreet Singh is an entrepreneur and founder of Minority Mindset, Raoul Pal is a former hedge fund manager and CEO of Real Vision, and Humphrey Yang is a personal finance creator and former financial advisor at Merrill Lynch. They discuss: ◼️Why saving money won’t make you rich, and what to do instead ◼️The single best skill to escape being broke in 2025 ◼️ Why renting is smarter than buying (even if you can afford to buy) ◼️ The tiny money habit that quietly builds millions over time ◼️ Why most people under 45 won’t get a pension (and what to do instead) ◼️The truth about crypto, AI and why the financial system doesn’t want you prepared (00:00) Intro(02:24) How Do I Make More Money?(05:13) Pointless Jobs That Actually Made You the Most Money(06:53) How to Visualize Your Finances(07:44) Social Pressure With Money(09:37) The Simple Money Tracking Hack(13:32) Best Form of Investing: Active or Passive?(18:34) More People Joining Crypto(21:07) Bitcoin Is Too Speculative(28:31) Stocks vs Crypto(34:01) How Would You Invest $1,000?(42:13) The S&P 500 vs the Nasdaq-100(44:14) Dollar-Cost Averaging(47:12) Remove Emotion From Financial Decisions(48:08) Should We Be Putting Everything Into Crypto?(49:36) If Crypto Isn't the Future, What Takes Its Place?(54:26) Sponsored Segment(56:24) What to Do When You're in Debt(59:43) Bankruptcy: When Should Someone Consider It?(01:02:13) What If You Don’t Want to File for Bankruptcy?(01:03:55) The Myth of Passive Income(01:05:51) How Well Can You Actually Do From Property Investments?(01:10:35) Should You Buy Rental Properties for Passive Income?(01:11:21) More People Are Renting in the US Over Buying(01:13:33) Is Property a Good Way to Build Wealth?(01:19:30) Is There Any Such Thing as Good Debt?(01:20:30) Leveraging Your Current Assets(01:26:01) Pensions and 401(k) Retirement Plans(01:41:37) Framework for Making More Money Easily(01:47:53) Keeping Your Money in a Bank Is Making You Poorer(01:51:58) What Do Rich People Know That Most Others Don’t?(01:54:41) Relationships Make Money(01:59:44) How Much Do Geographies Matter When Making Money?(02:02:30) Is the UK a Good Place to Build Wealth?(02:05:49) Closing Statements Follow Jaspreet: X: http://bit.ly/3HSFdO3 ‘Market Briefs’ newsletter:: http://bit.ly/4mWeqzr YouTube: http://bit.ly/46hbTbU Follow Raoul: X: http://bit.ly/466Fe8Q Website here: http://bit.ly/4m6Rexb You can download Raoul Pal’s 5-Year Roadmap for free here: http://bit.ly/3JQok7g You can purchase ‘The Everything Code’, here: https://amzn.to/48cJ2bk Follow Humphrey: Youtube: http://bit.ly/3KgmkoJ Instagram: http://bit.ly/4gs6kMI Website- Humphreysguide.com The Diary Of A CEO: ⬛ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ⬛ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://smarturl.it/DOACbook ⬛ The 1% Diary is back - limited time only: https://bit.ly/3YFbJbt ⬛ The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards (Second Edition): https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb ⬛ Get email updates - https://bit.ly/diary-of-a-ceo-yt ⬛ Follow Steven - https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors:Linkedin Jobs - https://www.linkedin.com/doac Vivobarefoot - https://www.vivobarefoot.com/ Bon Charge - http://boncharge.com/diary?rfsn=8189247.228c0cb with code DIARY for 25% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Episode summary

I grew up hearing the script: get a job, save, then get a mortgage. Today, I want us to challenge that and unpack the real money traps and the habits that actually build wealth.

Treating a primary home as your path to wealth is outdated, and pure saving makes you poorer after inflation.

So what’s the biggest money mistake most people make?

Parking cash in a bank and calling that a plan; inflation quietly eats it every day.

This is a money masterclass with different playbooks, but a shared goal: earn more, invest smarter, and buy back your time.

Quick note before we dive in: thank you for listening. If you gain value here, hit follow; I’m committed to bringing you the guests and candor you actually want.

If someone’s on thirty to forty thousand a year and asking, how do I make more money, where should they start?

Monetize what you already know; even being a few steps ahead in a niche can be billable, from coaching to running ads to simple tech help.

Upgrade your circle as deliberately as your skills; the right peers expand your opportunities. Then place small bets to discover where you’re truly valuable.

What was the most useful ‘odd job’ skill you picked up?

Sales. Life is persuasion—from careers to relationships—so learn to communicate value and ask for the yes.

Build a simple plan: automate saving and investing on payday and spend what’s left; wealth builders fund investments first, not last.

Anchor that plan to a vivid future self; aim for how you want to feel—secure, free, creative—rather than a list of luxury goals.

Many avoid money entirely because it’s stressful. How do they face it?

Ditch the intimidation; you don’t need letters after your name to learn the basics and take control.

Track every expense for a month or two; awareness alone exposes leaks you can plug and creates a real starting point.

Give us a simple investing map that works for most people.

Pick your lane: a paid advisor costs compounding, a passive index like the S and P 500 has historically delivered strong results with minimal effort, and active stock picking or real estate can boost returns if you truly do the work and manage emotions.

Should most people even try to pick stocks?

No. The odds favor low‑cost passive funds unless you are willing to research and stay calm through swings.

Here’s the harsh backdrop: assets outpaced wages because money creation devalues cash, so the same salary buys less of a house or the market over time.

Explain that like I’m ten.

If everyone gets more paper money, we bid up the same mug to silly prices; the mug did not get better, the money got weaker.

So why consider Bitcoin at all?

It’s been the best‑performing asset in history due to network adoption, but it’s volatile and demands a long horizon.

And the classic critique—Bitcoin is only worth what others say it is?

All money and many assets are social agreements; the question is whether the network keeps growing.

The danger is drawdowns; stocks might drop twenty to thirty percent, while Bitcoin has seen falls closer to seventy, which triggers panic selling.

Risk and reward must match time; a bigger swing can be worth it if you can wait, but you need staying power.

I own crypto, but it’s a small slice; I prioritize businesses, real estate, and stocks, because cash flow and diversification help me sleep.

If someone has one thousand to put to work, what’s smart?

Invest in your earning power first; a course that boosts marketable skills can be worth far more than a quick ten percent.

Right now, learning AI basics is a huge edge; it’s a knowledge gap most businesses feel.

Even understanding how to prompt tools well can become a service; that’s real leverage.

If you still want to invest, a split between a broad index and a few well‑researched companies can keep you engaged without swinging for the fences.

With ten thousand, I’d go heavy on index funds and keep a small speculative bucket; hit one hundred thousand quickly, then consider higher‑risk moves.

I’d tilt to the Nasdaq for tech’s structural tailwinds, add some crypto, and automate monthly buys so you benefit from dips.

Just remember tech and crypto can fall hard and stay down for years; most people quit in the pain.

That’s why dollar‑cost averaging matters; it lowers your average price and takes emotion out of it.

My friend texted me in a panic: forty thousand in high‑interest debt, one month behind on the mortgage, and searching for passive income. What would you tell him?

Slash expenses, list debts by interest rate, attack the highest first, and consider selling the home or even bankruptcy if the math does not work.

When is bankruptcy a rational option?

If interest outpaces your income, it can be the reset that stops the bleeding, though your credit takes a long hit.

The upside is enforced discipline; it forces the habits most people resist until it is too late.

Either way, change must be extreme—cancel distractions, work extra shifts, sell what you can—because small tweaks won’t fix a debt spiral.

And the fantasy of passive income saving him now?

There’s no free check; rentals and side hustles all take effort, risk, or both.

True passive income comes after capital and systems; with real estate, the learning curve is steep before it gets hands‑off.

For most beginners, liquid index investing beats becoming a landlord; I rent by choice and invest the difference.

We’re also seeing more millionaires renting for flexibility and liquidity, especially in high‑tax, high‑insurance markets.

In the United States, property taxes and insurance drag returns, and higher rates have priced many out, so renting can be more rational.

So is buying a home still a wealth strategy?

Buy a home if you want the lifestyle and can afford it, but don’t confuse it with an investment that pays you.

Price‑to‑income is far worse than a generation ago; renting and investing the difference often wins on pure returns.

Most mortgage payments are front‑loaded interest; equity builds slowly, and refinancing restarts the clock.

A home can help impulsive sellers by being illiquid, but the real reasons people buy are security and stability.

Is there such a thing as good debt?

Leverage can amplify gains and losses; use it cautiously because wipeouts happen fast.

Can you really borrow against crypto or earn income on it?

You can borrow against crypto instantly or stake networks like Ethereum for yield, but volatility and design risks mean you must size it conservatively.

So staking is locking tokens to secure the network and earning roughly four percent a year, paid in the same asset.

Remember that a four percent yield in a coin that falls fifty percent is still down in cash terms.

What about pensions and 401ks—smart or not?

I skip them due to fees, limits, and lockups, though a strong employer match can be worth it for many.

People also confuse pensions with social security; how does that really work?

Social security is pay‑as‑you‑go; today’s workers fund current retirees, and future payments risk losing buying power.

We shifted from guaranteed payouts to contribution plans; with low balances and fees, many will not have enough to retire.

Still, a 401k is a useful behavioral tool; it forces saving most people would never do on their own.

There’s also Coast FIRE: hit a reasonable nest egg early, let compounding do the rest, and choose work you prefer while your investments grow.

If that grows to around one and a half million by sixty‑five, inflation still matters, but the point is freedom of choice long before some ‘full stop’ retirement.

Are you aiming for coast fire, and how are you thinking about the retirement crunch?

Yes, I ran the numbers, set a target, and stay consistent so my investments can grow to cover future expenses and let me focus on work I enjoy.

I like that you de-risk life first so you can take smarter risks later, making choices today for the benefit of your future self.

I also like your discipline around broad funds and avoiding shiny distractions.

I recommend index funds for most people; personally I keep roughly half to a bit more there.

I cut waste by skipping Airbnbs, not buying perishables in bulk as a single person, and calling my insurer after moving to the city to lower my mileage and premiums; shop coverage because insurance is commoditized.

Those rates are negotiable; even threatening to switch often unlocks sudden discounts and fewer add-ons.

Beyond trimming costs, push on income with extra gigs or new streams, which tech makes easier; cutting is vital in emergencies, but growth moves you faster.

It’s still easier for most to shave expenses than instantly double income.

Value your time; I pay for a driver so I can work during my long commute, which is worth more than the fare at this stage.

What’s the biggest money mistake?

Either spending it all or hoarding it all; idle cash loses purchasing power when banks pay near zero and prices rise.

Should companies park surplus cash in Bitcoin?

Big firms often sit on low-yield cash while the assets that matter to them get pricier; smaller firms should invest excess funds prudently to grow while keeping enough liquidity for shocks.

What do wealthy people know that others miss?

They think in decades, check their money often, and let small, repeatable habits compound instead of chasing quick thrills.

The system gives the rich special loans and early access, but you can sidestep fees by owning broad indexes or simple crypto and letting time work for you.

Relationships create access; I’ve seen pre-IPO allocations flow to trusted friends, and my friend Harry built a major fund by sitting down with top investors week after week.

A great example is Divesh Makan, who built Iconic out of coffee-shop relationships after the dotcom bust; the secret is giving first, connecting others, and letting karma circle back.

We almost never build systems for relationships, yet tracking how to help people and staying thoughtful pays off for years.

Keep feeding your network rather than extracting from it, or it withers.

How much do geographies matter for wealth building?

Many creators in the UK told me most of their revenue is American; the United States tends to pay more and feels friendlier to builders.

Location is leverage; you can do lifestyle arbitrage in places like Spain or Latin America if your work is online, but the United States still concentrates capital and talent, while the UK and much of Europe feel risk-averse and stuck with demographic headwinds.

If the UK had a slogan for investors today, what would it be?

It feels like a backwater after losing finance and new tech to regulation and brain drain; an aging population and resistance to change make growth tough.

Final thoughts?

Know your income and expenses cold, avoid heavy car payments if you can, and let steady, sensible choices compound.

Educate yourself, favor investing over hoarding cash, start small, learn fast, and build a strong network.

For crypto, I hold long term across big networks, with a large position in Sui and digital art on Ethereum, and I adjust infrequently.

Ignore fantasies about easy passive income; real change takes hard work and years of sacrifice.

AI gives me optimism; it’s the best tool we’ve had in a long time. Thank you all for the time, we’ll link your channels and top resources below, and Humphrey’s building a guide site we can include.

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