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The MacRumors Show

211: The iPhone Duo Debate Continues

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Dan and Hartley revisit the iPhone Duo after another week of discussion, debating whether Apple’s first foldable is genuinely useful or a compromise-filled first-generation product. They also share early thoughts on AirPods 5, the redesigned Health app and Apple Watch Series 12, and discuss just how small the iPhone 18 Pro upgrade really is, including variable aperture, photographic styles, the smaller Dynamic Island, and the new A20 Pro chip.

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We start with a little weather check: sun breaking through, 19 Celsius—66 for the U.S. people. Then we get sidetracked on whether I’m wearing a hoodie, sweatshirt, or jumper. I’m plainly not your fashion authority, but sunny 66 sounds decent.

People loved that I got heated last week, and I appreciate it, even if I don’t want every episode to become Dan Rage. I’m still annoyed by rage-bait display discourse around the iPhone Duo, so deep breath—we’re giving it another pass.

I’m genuinely excited by the Duo, but it probably isn’t for me yet. It’s Apple’s wildest phone shape in years, sure. The question is whether you’ll use that larger unfolded screen enough to justify the trade-offs.

For me, I think I would. I watch loads of YouTube in bed and while traveling, and I like having a normal Pro-sized phone outside with an iPad-ish screen when I need it. I don’t need the big screen every second; I need it when it helps.

It’s not a standard iPhone with a bonus display. It’s heavier, thicker, wider, with interface space shifted sideways, and the cameras concede ground to a Pro. Fantastic first attempt, but those compromises exist.

Every phone asks for something. Want the best battery? Take the bigger Pro Max, even if you hate the size. I’ve used basically every major U.S. foldable for eight years, and Apple put a lot of good bits in one place. Not perfect—just a hell of a first impression.

If you’re on the fence, use the return policy like a normal person: buy it, live with it, decide whether it fits. Don’t order every Apple product just to ship it back. I’m more worried sincere day-one buyers may struggle to get one.

It could be hard to find for months. The hinge may be difficult to produce at scale, it costs a lot to make, and enthusiasm looks real. The 18 Pro reception seems muted by comparison, so day-one buyers may hold out for the foldable.

Matte inner-screen criticism is partly fair: colors won’t pop like glossy ones. The inside camera is fine for video calls; use the other cameras for better pictures. My hesitation is use case. I barely watch anything on my phone, while daily video watchers could feel completely differently.

Productivity belongs in that calculation. Updating a flight or using a desktop site on a phone is miserable until I’m back at an iPad or Mac. If opening the Duo lets me handle email beside a PDF, use a proper webpage, or watch YouTube while I scroll, I might leave the iPad behind when I travel.

Travel is probably when I’d use it, but not enough to replace an iPad I own. I’m also thinking about Touch ID again, a thicker, squarer pocket device, and one-handed use while walking. Adaptable, sure; it just doesn’t thrill me.

You could be on a train watching a movie in a much better aspect ratio, or reading on a bigger page. And don’t panic about the inner panel looking less sharp or vibrant online. I saw it: the anti-glare finish is so nice that fingerprints and reflections on glossy glass feel gross. See one before deciding.

The quieter winner is the AirPods 5B. If Pro tips work loose while I’m talking, eating, or recording, these fit me better, and the updated noise canceling felt seriously good on a plane. They were too bass-heavy at first, but EQ fixed it. Spend the extra 20 dollars for the better version.

Your mini-review sold me. They feel like a sleeper hit: affordable, likely discounted, and maybe the best default AirPods recommendation for most people. The Pros are still good, but these sound unusually compelling.

The new Health app looks genuinely nicer: clearer cards, useful visuals, and a longevity area telling you where to focus. It did revise my health age from roughly half a year ahead to 39.8 when I’m 37.4, so I need a moment, Hartley. The new Watch seems worthwhile, even if it isn’t screaming externally.

I’m impressed by Series 12, but my current Watch handles the fitness and sleep tracking I need. With a larger redesign rumored next year, I may wait—unless I suddenly need that ceramic model. Substantial update, but waiting still has logic.

The iPhone 18 Pro is a very small upgrade from a 17 Pro. Variable aperture offers flexibility and low-light improvement, but subtly on a tiny sensor. I’m more interested in photographic styles—the film looks and softer skin tones. The smaller Dynamic Island is nice, hardly life-changing.

Life is short—if yearly upgrades make you happy, you do you. But from a 17 Pro? No. Save the money, or let third-party prices settle. I’m setting up the 18 Pro and will see whether the faster chip makes Siri quicker after the hot, chaotic setup phase.

And I owe Hartley an apology if last week’s passion sounded aimed at him. I wasn’t yelling at you; I was yelling in your general vicinity. Maybe we need more of that energy. If I care about something—or somebody comes for me—I get defensive. Isn’t that human? We’ll see you next week.

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