#2454 - Robert Malone, MD

It’s wild to have you back after almost five years; that last episode kicked a hornet’s nest, and a lot of your early warnings ended up being on the mark.

I figured I’d never be invited again after the pile-ons, but here we are; yes, I took the shot early, had a rough cascade of side effects, and even my cardiologist asked why I’d risked it in that fevered moment.

What did you think about the mRNA shots before you took one, and the claim they would stay at the injection site?

In my lab years ago we saw strong inflammation, poor durability, and broad biodistribution, so I was surprised to hear those issues were “solved,” but trusted advances in lipid particles—especially work from Peter Cullis—and needed it for travel while hoping it might ease my long COVID, which newer data suggests it did not.

Your long COVID started with the initial infection, right?

Yes, I got sick in Boston in early 2020 and spent months without stamina; I tried repurposed drugs, found famotidine helpful, pushed trials combining it with celecoxib and ivermectin, and then watched the ivermectin arm get kneecapped by regulators.

Why the iron wall against ivermectin and even hydroxychloroquine?

Policy choices were baffling, and I think we slid into a state-managed persuasion campaign—nudges, fifth‑gen warfare tactics, and coordinated pressure—like ad networks leaning on Spotify after Coca‑Cola complained via GARM, while CDC banners steered people to official lines; Elon buying Twitter cracked open how deep the censorship went.

The Twitter Files changed the game, and those new Epstein emails were so grotesque it felt demonic.

It’s a dark stretch—weaponized psychology, captured media, ‘conspiracy’ labels on dissent—while signals for ivermectin were sidelined and meta‑analyses rewritten; the emergency authorization incentives and profit motive loomed large, and COVID drove an historic upward wealth transfer.

People still default to “saved millions,” and mainstream news burned so much trust there’s no going back.

That line even framed the Nobel story for mRNA, but places like Europe, Canada, and Australia were far harsher; we’re lucky to have First Amendment guardrails, even as lawsuits and lawfare try to drag policy back to the old order.

Feels like money and power are the real drivers.

For the mega‑rich, cash is scorekeeping for influence; I want none of that, I’m content writing for readers and doing useful work.

Your independence helped you weather the blowback and keep speaking.

Being debt‑free let me take the hits, so we built a subscriber base and carried on; now I’m an unpaid special government employee and vice chair at CDC’s ACIP with some guardrails, and I also advise State on using AI to monitor bioweapons compliance.

What’s the story with Spain and the dead hogs?

A Spanish lab working with USDA on African swine fever vaccines is suspected in a leak after wild boar died nearby and China cut pork imports; you can’t cull your way out when wildlife is a reservoir, so we should breed resistant stock and improve hygiene, like hypochlorous acid in water systems.

Any proven ways to manage diseases in wildlife?

Europe dropped oral rabies vaccines by helicopter to immunize foxes, but there’s no safe ASF vaccine yet; the bigger lesson is that gene drives and fast‑moving biotech outpace ethics and regulation, so low‑probability lab events can have massive impacts.

Now we’re hearing about artificial wombs and reports of organ harvesting, which sounds flat‑out demonic.

Artificial wombs, cloning for organs, and allegations of forced organ procurement cross moral red lines and could alter human development in ways we barely understand.

That Obama‑era “nudge” unit was first the Social and Behavioral Sciences Team, then continued under the Office of Evaluation Sciences.

Gattaca keeps coming up for a reason; are we really on the brink of edited embryos and made-to-order traits?

Yes; cheap whole-genome reads paired with CRISPR make selective edits plausible, and the pitch will be convenience and 'better' babies as robotics and AI race ahead.

We pulled up that viral 'artificial womb' video, which looks like the Matrix.

Even if staged, the idea is unnerving; what kind of psyche forms without any mothering?

People will still buy it for ease and control, but early isolation can twist development, as harsh cases of infant deprivation suggest.

That same window is when we stack infant shots with ingredients we barely track, inside a system that shields companies and rewards more products.

With liability protections and a swelling schedule, the program became a profit machine people defend like a creed, often by applause line instead of evidence.

Work like Dissolving Illusions argues disease declines tracked sanitation and getting rid of lead, not only vaccines, which upends the standard tale.

Even polio was mostly silent infection, while mass DDT spraying overlapped with paralytic symptoms, first seen widely in rural zones.

From my ACIP vantage, modern genomics is exposing small groups with outsized risk, like several genes linked to post-shot myocarditis, despite funding cuts mid-project.

If we commit to real follow-up, cheap sequencing and honest epidemiology can map who is vulnerable and finally crack long-running narratives, though policy change will be the hard part.

Meanwhile, transhumanist dreams of digital immortality mingle with a very real UAP ecosystem of money, secrecy, and defense work.

That rabbit hole has black budgets and odd tech that seems to appear from nowhere.

I suspect there is physics we do not yet master, tied to ultra high energy sources that could explain reported air-to-sea transitions.

Nearer term, micro fusion could shrink power to tiny packages, decentralize energy, jolt the economy, and, inevitably, become weaponized.

Either way, the road ahead will be dramatic, and I hope we do not let it turn bleak.

Quick correction, that factory womb video and a viral 'pregnancy robot' story were fakes, though real artificial womb work in animals, like lambs, is documented.

Right, the lamb studies are real, and we should be careful not to pass along hoaxes.

Robert, thanks for coming back; your ideas will land differently now, because many people have caught up.

Thank you, and thanks to the community whose frontline reports I tried to carry during that storm; it mattered, even if the backlash was fierce.

It was a wild stretch; appreciate you.