About this episode
Paul Rosolie is a conservationist, author and founder of Jungle Keepers, who has spent years exploring and protecting some of the most remote areas of the Amazon rainforest.
In this moment, Paul shares the unbelievable journey that led him deep into the Amazon, where rumours of an uncontacted tribe became something far more real. He shares the emotions when coming face to face with those living separate from the modern world… and what this encounter taught him.
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How enormous is the Amazon? I’m trying to get my head around it—and are there places, and people, nobody has ever reached?
I’m rubbish with numbers, but it exceeds the lower forty-eight in size. It’s Earth’s biggest unbroken rainforest, and much of its life is high overhead, roughly one hundred and fifty feet up. Where the Andes, cloud forest, and lowlands meet may be the richest concentration of land life we know.
For years, uncontacted people were almost rumor: somebody’s relative glimpsed them, or a huge bamboo-tipped arrow turned up. J.J. also taught me to read a riverbank like yesterday’s paper—fresh jaguar tracks, scat, vultures watching a kill. Then loggers erased forests we loved, and that roar of morning and night life went quiet. Barefoot, carrying machetes, we decided we had to try.
We began below zero qualifications. Now Jungle Keepers protects about one hundred and thirty thousand acres, employs former loggers and miners as rangers, and is working toward a park. That’s the whole thing for me: save this watershed, every tree and animal still in it.
You’ve taken that job incredibly personally. And it sounds as if the wild changed you, not just your career.
Back home, small talk felt strange after months out there. The mission and the team become addictive. Modern life can leave us detached from the work of staying alive; in the wild, your hands toughen, your senses wake up, and you become the jungle version of yourself.
I was thinking of intentional discomfort—the brain research around doing what you don’t want to do anyway—and Roosevelt remaking himself in the Badlands. Is that what your solos were for?
One hundred percent. J.J. taught me enough to attempt ten-day trips beyond the last named place. I wanted to know with my own eyes whether the destruction I’d heard about as a kid was real; I don’t like receiving reality pre-filtered through a screen.
At eighteen I wanted swashbuckling adventure. At thirty-eight, I’ve got scars, bites, close calls—and responsibility for millions of animals. Adventure turned into meaning. The question now is whether we can do the thing that once sounded impossible.
And the uncontacted tribe—were they central to that original mission?
No. We were protecting a remote tributary, then realized it had stayed wild partly because the nomadic Mashco Piro kept outsiders away. Local Indigenous communities are different: we work with them, helping create ranger jobs so they can defend their land without needing logging money.
When word came that arrows had appeared, we raced upriver through a storm. The community was right: men emerged with bows, wary and armed. Across the water, through an anthropologist, they asked for plantains, rope, and how to recognize good people from those shooting at them.
It was fear on both sides, not some romantic encounter. Their women took crops while the men held attention; everybody had weapons nearby. We waited to release footage because they have repeatedly made clear they want isolation. A cold could devastate them, and protecting their forest is the only real protection we can offer.
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