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16 Brutal Life Lessons for Ambitious People - Michael Smoak - #1083

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PodcastModern Wisdom
Publisher/creatorChris Williamson
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Michael Smoak is a mindset coach, entrepreneur, and podcaster. What does it actually cost to live a great life? From the outside, top performers seem to have everything we want, but the story isn’t that simple. Behind every extraordinary life is a series of trade-offs, sacrifices, and unseen costs. So what is the true price of ambition, and are you willing to pay it? Expect to learn what high-performance actually looks like, what the number one fear that holds people back is and how to get over it, how to face and overcome your fears, why the path to being the best version of yourself should feel somewhat lonely, why most of the things you want in life has an opportunity cost attached to it, why you should always prioritise physical health and much more.. Timestamps: (0:00) The Power of Celebrating Small Wins(11:05) Can Sharing Your Struggles Actually Heal You?(19:41) What Grief Taught Michael(25:54) Why Rock Bottom Can Lead to Your Biggest Wins(34:56) Chris's Health Battle: The Biggest Lessons(39:32) How to Stop Letting Words Control You(42:33) The Moment Michael Nearly Got Cancelled(58:07) Why Fear of Judgement is Holding You Back(01:04:31) Scarcity vs Abundance: Which Mindset Wins?(01:10:47) Why We Chase Feelings, Not Things(01:19:13) Does Feeling Alone Mean You’re On the Right Path?(01:37:48) Why Perseverance is Vital to Succeed(01:47:00) Communication is Your Most Powerful Tool(01:55:35) What Your Etiquette Reveals About You(02:00:42) Where to Find Michael Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠⁠ Get up to 20% off Timeline powered by Mitopure (now at a lower price) at https://timeline.com/modernwisdom Get up to $50 off the RP Hypertrophy App at https://rpstrength.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I struggle to celebrate wins because they feel like the bare minimum for someone with high standards, which turns success into duty instead of joy.

Same here, and our circles normalize the extreme, so the bar keeps moving; the work is learning to savor milestones with gratitude before we chase the next one.

Hedonic adaptation makes triumphs fade fast, and as standards outrun our abilities we live in the gap; even Alexander’s tears were about how small his conquests felt, which is closer to how ambition really lands.

Desire outpaces reality, so I stopped expecting money, status, or even self‑image to save me; I feel fulfilled when I serve, whether it’s a kind word to a stranger or a message that helps one person.

There’s a memento mori for productivity too: the to‑do list never ends, and that truth can free you to pursue goals while knowing their glow is designed to be a little hollow.

If ambition burns, use the fuel and go, but be ready for the career speedrun that ends in a mini existential crisis when the view from the top is not what you imagined.

Treat growth like a game, not a cure for emptiness; milestones are fun to mark, but they’re not who we are, and most people are really searching for belonging and significance.

You say, if you can’t talk about it, you can’t heal it—what does that mean to you?

I could barely say how my dad was doing before he passed because I hadn’t let myself feel it; once I allowed the anger, grief, guilt, and love to move through, I could share the story without choking on it and actually help others.

Acceptance and Commitment Therapy nails this—let emotions happen without piling judgment on top; suppression can look like strength, but it usually backfires.

We try to manage feelings instead of processing them, yet on the far side of processed pain is clarity; suffering is pain times resistance, so drop the resistance and let it teach you.

What did that season with your dad teach you?

It felt like a rite of passage from boy to man, and it showed me my nervous system could handle far more than I thought.

Helping him after scary falls at 3 a.m. stripped my ego, deepened empathy, and reframed loss as proof we had something worth grieving; it grounded me in faith and in what truly matters.

James chapter one became real for me—trials grew perseverance and a steadier identity that I now try to steward in service of others.

Alain de Botton says the best men have been broken, and facing my own health issues made me humbler and more self‑aware; adversity is a terrible thing to waste.

When you were really unwell and bravely posted from hospital, what actually mattered in those months?

I felt cut off from myself as fatigue, brain fog, and lassitude took over; losing access to my mind was terrifying, like a purpose‑built curse for someone who lives by words.

It taught me the paradox of trying hard not to try, a mix of fragility and resilience, and the value of naming an existential enemy you’ll eventually overcome.

What was the single biggest lesson?

Let people help you without feeling lesser; as an only child and a fixer, asking for support and receiving prayerful hugs changed me, even as the whole thing felt unfair.

I disagree with your line that words only hurt if you believe them; the worst pain is fearing others will believe a lie about you, because a stained name can trap you in a false story.

If your platform rests on authenticity, you sleep fine; when I refused to be a puppet about the Minneapolis tragedy and spoke about love over division, outrage followed, but my compass was, does this honor God and my values.

Surrender isn’t passivity—it’s releasing control you don’t have while still showing up to serve; the edits cut my compassion line, but real‑life support grew.

Optics still matter because narratives compound, and false accusations can shut people out before they ever hear you; it’s maddening to climb a hill you didn’t create.

I anchor identity in Christ and accept that meaningful work will upset some; I’d rather be radically consistent with my ethics than manage every perception.

Call it Smokes Raza: when people say, speak on X, they usually mean, agree with my take on X; better to say you don’t know than posture as an expert outside your lane.

Sometimes the most helpful thing is shutting up instead of adding mid takes to a noisy world.

The biggest blocker isn’t failure or success—it’s the fear of being seen; go where the fear points, because that’s usually the task.

At every level the perception wall returns, so the goal isn’t to crush it but to stay inspired by exploring the parts of you that want to hold you back.

Every new level has a new devil, and I keep creating across grief, jokes, and reviews because following inspiration beats over‑engineering virality.

Abundance beats scarcity for people like us; assume things will work out, spend and try a little more, or you never arrive anywhere even when you can.

Your four‑way episode was a great bet on authenticity, and I think creators win by mixing three pillars—informational authority, relational humanity, and aspirational overcoming.

We rarely want the thing; we want the feeling we expect it to deliver, which is why even self‑work can become a sneaky arrival trap.

Faith reminds me there’s a God‑shaped space nothing material can fill, so idolatry of stuff or status will always disappoint.

My dad’s final weeks distilled it—more time with family, show up for your kids, and hope to hear well done, good and faithful servant; that’s the scorecard I’m playing.

The path to your best self is often lonely, and clearing people or habits hurts until something better fills the space.

My lonely chapter was miles of walks, NEAT chats with my one friend, and nerding out on health while no one around me cared; it turned out to be preparation for everything I do now.

Real growth feels nothing like a movie montage; it was me on a beat‑up couch retraining my brain for low stimulus and reading in doubt for years, which I now look back on as one of the coolest seasons of my life.

If you feel alone and unsure while you reinvent, that’s often the sign you’re exactly where you should be.

Did you ever imagine all this back on that couch in Newcastle, or did it just unfold as you went?

There was no master plan; I stumbled forward, realized I’d chased the wrong degrees, and finally followed what actually lit me up. My north star was earning the respect of people I respect, and now, while I’m still chasing Rogan, the real joy is collaborating with a younger wave and helping new voices get a shot.

What would you happily do for free right now?

I’d do these conversations for free; I made hundreds of episodes before anyone cared and I still love it. The live shows are fun, but nothing beats sitting down and talking like this.

What was the obvious move that actually grew the show?

Not stopping. I kept a consistent schedule for years because most people quit early, and even on low‑energy days I gave what I had, knowing momentum beats perfection.

People mix up discipline with obsession; my training looked like discipline but started as an obsession that cooled into habit. Most podcasts die fast, so make twenty‑one episodes, accept they’ll be rough, and remember consistency is rare, especially when culture doesn’t cheer you on.

Your first stuff will be bad and that’s fine; park the ego so the skills can catch up, like making a pile of rough videos before anything clicks.

We compare ourselves to people miles ahead, which kills patience. Kids still dream of football first and YouTube second, so they’ll need resilience to stick it out.

Create like a kid in a sandbox; when I treat ideas as play, inspiration keeps flowing. We even ended up in a silly game of catch the other day, which is exactly the point—keep it fun.

Speak with clear conviction and people hear competence, and communication is just a muscle you can train; a simple daily sixty‑second speaking practice sparked a huge online wave with dramatic day‑one to day‑thirty transformations. Some even built careers off it, which proves clarity and presence are learnable.

That cuts both ways, because style without substance can mislead, but substance without style gets ignored. Learn the rules and package your ideas well, then you earn the right to bend the game.

If you can’t be bothered to return the shopping cart, I assume the rest of your life is messy too.

It’s a cheeky self‑governance test, just like how you treat service workers, which tells me almost everything I need to know.

Driving here feels like the road version of the cart test; in the UK people wave you in, but in the States, especially in Atlanta, lanes feel like private property. It’s one of the biggest shocks I had moving over.

What was the biggest culture shock overall when you landed here?

The driving and the tipping; being asked to tip at a self‑checkout made no sense to me, and the flip‑and‑stare at coffee counters is a whole thing. If there’s no human involved, who exactly am I tipping?

We’ve got dinner with friends, so where should people find you? You rule, and I can’t wait to see what you build next.

Higher Up Wellness on all platforms and The Higher Up Podcast. Thanks for having me, and to the community college grads out there, there’s plenty of hope.

Appreciate you. See you next time—bye.

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