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What We’re Putting Into Motion: Evolving Creative Strategy for Meta’s Andromeda Era (Bonus Episode)

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PodcastMarketing Operators
Publisher/creatorCody Plofker, Connor MacDonald, and Connor Rolain
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In this episode of Marketing Operators, Cody and Connor unpack the real impact of Meta’s Andromeda update and what creative diversity actually means today, plus how to optimize for it in an algorithm-driven environment. They break down how short-form, personalized feeds have reshaped the playbook, why we’ve shifted from the editor era to the creator era, and what now constitutes a better ad in Meta’s eyes. They also dig into how to scale truly diverse creative without slowing down, harness organic social as a performance engine, and how the creative strategist role is evolving - expanding beyond editing into creator-first, social-native thinking and faster content systems. Then they’re joined by Cathy Sun, VP of Ecommerce at AppLovin, to dive into the launch of AppLovin’s self-serve Axon ads platform. Cathy breaks down how rewarded mobile gaming ads work, why long-form clickable inventory is driving incremental performance for e-commerce brands, and the creative tactics that win - from increasing ad volume and variation to leveraging interactive formats and scaling with repeatable creative workflows. She shares real stories of brands rapidly ramping spend and unlocking breakout ROAS on AppLovin, and why this channel has quickly become a powerful performance complement to Meta. If you’re evolving your creative for the Andromeda era and looking for scalable performance channels beyond Meta, this episode delivers the frameworks, tactics, and operator-level insights to grow with confidence. Check out Axon by AppLovin: https://axon.ai/inviteonly Use code: KLOHWKP3YM Operators Masterclass on Channel Growth: https://www.9operators.com/applovin If you have a question for the MOperators Hotline, click the link to be in with a chance of it being discussed on the show: https://forms.gle/1W7nKoNK5Zakm1Xv6 Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:06:46 - The "Andromeda" Apocalypse 00:21:55 - Why We're in the "Creator Era" (Not the "Editor Era") 00:37:56 - How to Hire in the Creator Era 00:53:37 - Special Guest: What is AppLovin's Axon Platform? 01:07:39 - AppLovin Performance & Creative Best Practices Powered by: Motion. https://motionapp.com/pricing?utm_source=marketing-operators-podcast&utm_medium=paidsponsor&utm_campaign=march-2024-ad-reads⁠⁠⁠https://motionapp.com/creative-trends Prescient AI.⁠⁠⁠ https://www.prescientai.com/operators Richpanel.⁠⁠⁠ https://www.richpanel.com/?utm_source=MO&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=ytdesc Aftersell. https://www.aftersell.com/operators Haus. http://Haus.io/operators Subscribe to the 9 Operators Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@Operators9 Subscribe to the Finance Operators Podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/@FinanceOperatorsFOPS Sign up to the 9 Operators newsletter here: https://9operators.com/

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If you’ve been on DTC Twitter, you’ve seen the Andromeda apocalypse chatter. The name is epic, and today it’s just me and Connor digging into what it really means.

I’m stepping up on short notice, Halloween costume jokes aside, and ready to get into it.

People are blaming Andromeda for soft October results, but macro signals look worse: consumer sentiment hit a multi‑year low, SNAP uncertainty and a government shutdown squeezed wallets, and even fast‑casual chains are slowing.

Totally—don’t fire teams over a macro dip. Chipotle’s stumble, younger shoppers feeling tapped, and inconsistent store quality came up, but the bigger point is the economy is heavier than any single platform tweak.

Give us the quick Andromeda download—what changed and why the freak‑out?

Meta rebuilt its ad matching so it can reference far more creatives per auction and better pair ads to people. That makes variety in creative more valuable, and while full impact is still shaking out, the direction is clear.

The twist is what Meta counts as a different ad: tiny headline swaps or near‑identical visuals often get bucketed together, so you need meaningfully new looks, messages, or offers to register as distinct.

We’re reframing diversity by how users actually consume content: UGC, news‑style frames, memes, polished statics. Thinking content‑first makes it easier to operationalize than thinking ad‑first.

Feeds are now For You feeds across platforms, so followers matter less and personalization rules. Ads should feel like the organic content people already watch.

Organic got more competitive, so some budget can back shareable, entertaining pieces while most spend chases intent; both create value if you balance them.

Our top videos that scale usually give something beyond a sales pitch—humor, relatability, or a useful tip that earns attention.

We’re in a creator era. Brands either build that muscle or partner with people who have it; the old scripted UGC factory model feels played out with a lower ceiling.

Most brands don’t have native content chops, so we’re hiring a Director of Social like a performance role to seed product, tap many creators, and then edit and distribute the winners across paid and organic.

We’re aligning our hiring the same way—creative strategists who are actual creators—because it’s easier to teach ads to someone who already makes sticky short‑form video.

Exactly. Our team already creates and consumes with a strategic lens, so guiding them to generate purchase intent is the smaller jump.

We want faster, lighter workflows: trend‑driven reels, minimal approvals, high volume from creator networks, then push straight into ads. Early tests are cheaper, more native, and honestly better than heavily briefed UGC.

Tabs Chocolate did a version of this years ago with many creators posting on their own pages and a simple bonus model. That mass engine gives you tons to repurpose, which feels like the future.

We’re having creators deliver assets rather than post, since organic winners don’t consistently map to paid; then we’ll retain standout creators as persona‑specific strategists to brief and produce for key segments.

Comfort scaled with a huge TikTok Shop affiliate base and repurposed across channels; it’s a very modern, high‑volume pipeline that feeds paid.

Call us old heads, but B2B SaaS and even crypto or gambling playbooks have led the way on organic distribution and community‑driven content we can learn from.

Constraints in those categories force inventive, organic‑first strategies that consumer brands can adapt.

On resourcing, one superstar creator can be great for a dominant format, but creative diversity often needs several voices; stage and budget decide the mix.

Right—your account won’t split evenly across formats. If one style over‑indexes for your audience, paying a creator to produce that in volume can pencil.

All right, let’s bring in our guest. We’ve got Kathy Sun, VP of e‑commerce at AppLovin, here to talk Axon.

Great to be here.

Your units feel like full‑screen, short‑form video with five unskippable seconds. How much of the inventory is non‑skippable, and why do we see such strong watch time versus Meta?

Mobile games are a different context: people are locked into a session, so five unskippable seconds lands, rewarded placements run longer, and even interstitials tend to deliver at least ten seconds. That dynamic makes cost per watched time attractive even if CPMs look higher.

You seemed to come out of nowhere for e‑commerce last year. Why is it working this well, this fast?

Our roots in gaming forced world‑class purchase prediction and long‑form formats that people actually sit through. We rebuilt a simple self‑serve flow, and models that excel at finding buyers translate beyond gaming; a tiny cookware brand jumped from twelve thousand to one hundred thirty thousand in revenue in a month by adding longer videos and interactives.

What should brands know to get started quickly and avoid creative fatigue?

Keep setup simple—pixel in, lots of nine by sixteen, and go—and then scale the number of distinct videos and interactives because frequency runs higher in this environment. More variety gives the system fresh options and keeps users engaged instead of seeing the same spot.

We edit for the unit: Meta needs instant hooks, while AppLovin lets us set a premise in the first five seconds. The other unlock we heard from your team is simply shipping more ads, which reduces repeat views of the same creative.

Exactly. Also tailor to sound‑off with captions, run longer cuts to fill the full placement, and treat the ad as three parts: video, interactive end card, and catalog. End cards can drive the majority of clicks, and a clean product feed matters more than people expect.

Measurement felt familiar—clickable TV is a good description—and our total return has been strong even if the new‑to‑brand ratio trails Meta. We’re seeing that more creative and even simple landing page splits help reach colder audiences.

Our models goal‑seek revenue. They’ll harvest high‑intent traffic at low budgets, then expand as you scale, and creative breadth is what lets you convert new cohorts rather than only return visitors. Incrementality still looks good even when repeat buyers are in the mix.

Net‑new, returning visitor, and returning customer spend can all be incremental—you just need to know which you’re buying and set channel targets accordingly.

This was fun and useful. Kathy, thanks for coming on, and good luck to everyone as we sprint into Black Friday.

Thanks for having me. Excited to see what the next few weeks bring.

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