About this episode
Alex Petkas is a historian, writer, and podcaster. What’s the real story behind The Odyssey? As the ancient epic returns to the big screen, a historian reveals the original tale, the world that shaped it, and the timeless lessons hidden within it. Expect to learn why The Odyssey is such an important story, what type of person and writer Homer was, who the important women of The Odyssey were and which ones were benevolent, heroic, or dangerous, why revenge and justice are the key underlying themes in the story, what a real historian thinks of Christopher Nolan’s adaptation of The Odyssey and much more... Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 5 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get the brand new Whoop 5.0 and your first month for free at https://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at https://chatgpt.com Timestamps: (00:00) Why The Odyssey Still Matters Today (06:19) What Happens in The Odyssey? (09:41) Did Homer Write The Iliad First? (15:20) How Much of The Odyssey Is Just Retelling? (16:31) Why Is Penelope the Ultimate Prize? (21:43) Telemachus’ Quest to Live Up to His Father (36:19) How Order Can Slip into Anarchy (37:21) Why Odysseus Walked Away From a Goddess (54:13) The Power of Cunning (01:01:09) How Odysseus Outsmarted the Cyclops (01:07:35) The One Mistake That Cursed Odysseus (01:09:23) Is Family the True Heart of The Odyssey? (01:24:57) How Odysseus Finally Returns Home (01:27:48) The Reunion of Odysseus and Telemachus (01:29:57) The Fall of the Suitors (01:42:12) Is Penelope the Real Hero of the Story? (01:46:25) Why Divine Favour Changes Everything (01:49:02) The Hidden Role of Oral Storytelling (01:53:24) Why Nolan’s Films Divide Audiences (01:57:52) Is Emily Wilson’s Translation Accurate? (02:01:26) Has the Classic Hero Disappeared? (02:11:09) Why We Need to Beware Modern Sirens (02:19:48) Where to Find Alex Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Episode summary
Why does the Odyssey still hit so hard? It’s a homecoming epic wired with sacrifice, fractured order, and the fight to rebuild it, which is why Nolan keeps echoing it across his films.
Homer’s the name we inherit for the Iliad and the Odyssey, a legendary blind bard from around the eighth century BCE, when writing arrived and, almost overnight, two towering poems showed up like they’d dropped from the gods.
Did the story predate him, or is it entirely his?
The language and themes trace back through Indo‑European oral tradition, with clear kinship to Vedic epics; Homer’s versions feel like a distilled record of centuries of song finally set to script.
So was he really blind, and what else do we know?
The Odyssey even places a blind singer inside itself as a kind of mirror; the trope is that the gods trade eyesight for insight into human suffering.
Give me the story in a nutshell.
After ten years of war over Helen, the Greeks sack Troy, Odysseus masterminds the horse, and the Odyssey follows his ten‑year struggle to get home, which the Greeks treated as historical fiction rather than pure myth.
It’s the sequel to the Iliad then, set around 1200 BCE?
Yes, and where the Iliad crowns Achilles on the battlefield, the Odyssey argues for Odysseus, slower, wiser, and made for peacetime complexity and a broader audience that even includes richly drawn women.
How is the poem structured?
Twenty‑four books: Telemachus grows up in the first four, Odysseus leaves Calypso and reaches Phaeacia in the next four, then comes his famous backstory in books nine to twelve, and the long reckoning at Ithaca closes the arc.
Why start with Telemachus?
So you feel the vacuum of a missing father as 108 suitors devour Odysseus’s house and court Penelope, whose allure is more about borrowed glory and status contagion than youth alone.
A mirror of Helen being taken?
Exactly; Homer lines up cautionary female archetypes so Penelope’s fidelity and cunning stand out as the needle that holds the household together.
How does Telemachus change?
Athena arrives in disguise, shames the suitors’ bad hospitality, and pushes him to confront them, then seek news from Nestor and Menelaus, where ordered homes and piety contrast with the chaos back on Ithaca.
Helen reappears with a disarming self‑own and a drugged wine that mutes pain, hinting at her lingering magnetism; meanwhile the suitors plot to ambush Telemachus on his return.
What do the suitors really represent?
They’re entropy in sandals, the breakdown that rushes in when good leadership disappears, and the poem frames their removal as justice, not just revenge.
Pick up with Odysseus on Calypso’s island.
He’s been living with a goddess for years, crying by the shore; Hermes forces his release, Calypso offers eternal youth and immortality, but he chooses home because endless vacation kills who he is.
He builds his own raft—a small hymn to Athena’s craft—faces Poseidon’s storm, washes up naked in Phaeacia, and wins aid by charming the princess Nausicaa and her queenly mother Arete without offending them.
At a feast the bard sings the horse story, Odysseus weeps for Troy’s victims, and then he finally reveals himself and narrates his wanderings.
Highlights from those tales?
After setbacks with the Kikones and lotus eaters comes Polyphemus, a one‑eyed pastoral brute who scorns the gods and the law; Odysseus wins with wine, wordplay, and a sharpened stake, then foolishly shouts his name and earns Poseidon’s curse.
Circe turns his men into pigs until Hermes arms him with a plant that breaks her spell; they linger a year, then she sends him to the dead for counsel.
In the underworld Tiresias warns about the sun god’s cattle and the suitors, his mother explains the shades, and Achilles admits he’d trade glory for one day alive to defend his father and hear of his son.
Siren song, Scylla and Charybdis, and finally the cursed cattle follow; Zeus wrecks the crew, and Odysseus drifts alone to Calypso before the Phaeacians ferry him home as he sleeps, like crossing from myth back into hard reality.
How does the home stretch play out?
In disguise he tests loyalties with the swineherd Eumaeus and then Telemachus; inside the hall he needles the suitors until Antinous hurls a stool, proving how unserious they are.
Penelope sets a bow contest only Odysseus can win; once he strings it, the doors are barred, Telemachus has hidden the weapons, and the slaughter restores order.
The bow—shady in the Iliad’s honor code—becomes the right tool for a just purge; even the compromised maids are punished, and a brief civil spiral is halted when Athena imposes peace.
Down in Hades the suitors wail while Agamemnon praises Penelope, implying Odysseus’s lasting fame depends on her fidelity and craft as much as his own courage.
Why the gods on his side, mostly?
He’s devout, saves lies for enemies, and fights for civilization over barbarism; Zeus’s justice aims to end feuds, not fuel them.
How does oral poetry shape this work, and does rap compare?
Homer springs from a world where memory held culture and the bard anchored morals; rap shares orality, but the ancient singer was a guardian of order in a way modern performers rarely are.
I’m excited for Nolan’s film but passed on a dream junket to protect my sanity; I hope the conversation stays about story, not culture‑war crossfire.
Is he drawing on Emily Wilson’s translation?
He’s quoted her opening, which renders Odysseus as a ‘complicated man’; I think the Greek points to a man of many turns and guises—master of craft—rather than moral muddle.
Homer admires Odysseus without airbrushing him; he blunders at times, but the values are clear—order over chaos, home over vanity, cunning over brute force when justice is on the line.
I miss a clean, virtuous hero. The anti-hero spiral can be interesting, but I’m craving a straight hero’s journey again—rich story, simple north star, no asterisk after every win.
That’s shaping the show, too. More stories, more hangouts, and war tales, because people are maxed out on optimization talk and drowning in inputs they can’t metabolize.
Ambiguous endings do fuel debate, but not everything has to feel like homework. Right now a little clarity, or at least room to breathe, feels like relief amid stress about jobs, wars, prices, and tech.
It’s a perfect moment for Homer. Those epics are morally clear enough to steady you, yet broad enough that different listeners can draw their own take without the poet telling you what to think.
I read the Sirens as the temptation of infinite knowledge. As an ex-academic, I know the pull of just one more insight—today it’s the doomscroll dressed up as actionable urgency, which quietly freezes reflection.
When the firehose never stops, you can’t think. A mentor from the intel world told me modern propaganda often aims to flood you into apathy, and every rabbit hole has an equal and opposite rabbit hole, so I’m reaching for firmer ground.
That’s what long narrative gives you. Story encodes lessons you can recall years later, and heroic tales can be complex without tearing the hero down with secret rot—we could use more of that right now.
Alex Patkus, you’re the best. Where should people find you?
Cost of Glory. You’ll find the podcast on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple, plus at costofglory.com and at cost of glory on X.
Until next time, let’s dream up the next one. Goodbye, my beauties—see you soon.