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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Most Replayed Moment: The One Habit Behind Every Breakthrough Idea - Spotify Founder

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PodcastThe Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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Are you trying to innovate before you truly understand the problem?
Daniel Ek is the co-founder of Spotify, the world's most popular audio streaming service, and the co-founder of preventative health company Neko Health.
In this moment, Daniel shares the approach that lets innovators crack problems most people write off as impossible, and why a healthy dose of delusion only works when it's paired with something far less glamorous. He takes you behind the scenes of how Spotify prepared for Apple Music's launch, explains how to tell when to keep going and when to walk away, and reveals why every team building something new needs a skeptic in the room.
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When I heard the Spotify story, I thought: taking on record labels as a young founder from Sweden had to look impossible. Why didn’t it feel that way to you?

There’s useful naivety in entrepreneurship, but I didn’t just leap. I spent roughly five hundred hours studying the problem, then obsessed over copyright and rights holders. We built streaming that felt like your whole collection was already on your computer.

There must have been label meetings where you thought, no chance. Perseverance matters, but so does knowing when you’re burning the one currency you can’t replace: time.

Oh, many times. For two years, every month or two I thought it was over. Martin kept saying we’d find a way—or build something else—so I had a safety net. There’s no formula for quitting versus pushing: that’s where art meets science. If downside is time and upside is real, it can be sensible.

Don’t hire only believers; you need someone who says, “I’m not sure.” Great builders move from detail to the larger shape, then make complexity legible. I flew to New York with an empty diary and made twenty calls a day. Assistants matter: be friendly, show up fast, remove friction.

We put about ten million dollars of our own money into Spotify. I gave up financial safety to bet on myself. Apple Music didn’t blindside us; our bet was music across every device, not stronger walls.

Spotify is seventeen, a teenager becoming its own person. At twenty-three, culture meant a ping-pong table; at forty, I see it as the most scalable, difficult part: encouraging responsible risk while serving creators and hundreds of millions.

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