About this episode
Ndamukong Suh sits down with Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry to talk about his time with the Detroit Lions, his Super Bowl win with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, what it was like playing alongside Tom Brady, being teammates with Lenny and Jarvis, and how he built his empire off the field through the business side of football. All lines provided by @hardrockbet See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Bro, your college run was wild—awards on awards—and we’re still pushing to see that Nebraska ninety‑three off limits for good, Hall of Fame and all.
I had great teammates and coaches who let me thrive, and yeah, the jersey’s not locked yet, but I’m working on it.
Beyond the trophies, I’m grateful for you as a teammate and for how you talked me through tough stretches in Tampa.
People see the draft slot and the checks, but not the daily grind or the politics, and when a coach leads with fear and ego, it wears you down fast.
Walk us through how coaching shaped you, from Bo to the league, and how mentorship built your mindset.
Bo backed me as a cornerstone, Schwartz built around the line, and that belief lets you soar, while a coach who won’t invest can sideline you with one decision.
Did Miami try to box you in because of your image, and what separates coaches who let players be themselves from those who don’t?
I was blunt, had relationships across the building, and that threatened a first‑time head coach, but the job is relationships and clear standards—not control by fear—so let men be themselves and deliver.
Favorite memories with me and with Juice?
Locker‑room jokes, you wandering into the D‑line corner starting chaos, and dinners that kept me feeling young even as I leaned into business.
You checked me in a sauna when I wasn’t starting and taught me the game within the game, and I’ve carried that since.
We’re used to being the guy, but roles shift, so I learned to embrace rotation, stay near full speed, and lift the room around me.
Harder for receivers to pick spots, but I hear you.
It’s about swing plays over snap counts; a handful of high‑impact reps beats a tired sixty.
Quick one—take me or Juice as your teammate.
Juice all season, Lenny in the playoffs.
What defined our title run?
A players‑only reset killed egos, we accepted roles, and then punched through Washington, New Orleans, Green Bay, and finished the story at home.
I got called out in that meeting, and AB helped me lock in on the mission and my body language.
A lot of guys were watching you, so staying steady mattered, even when the politics tested all of us.
What was it like with Brady running point between offense and defense?
He chased situational edges—takeaways, double scores, keeping us fresh—and the way practice battles heated up made Sundays feel simple.
Those live periods, the fights, me and Jensen mixing it up—that iron‑on‑iron changed us.
It was tough, technical, and right to the edge while still taking care of each other.
If Detroit matched Miami, would you have stayed?
One thousand percent; I loved playing for Caldwell and that 2014 defense, but Detroit didn’t see me as a long‑term pillar, I weighed taxes, gave them a chance, and chose what was best for my family.
People judged the on‑field edge without context.
I told refs I was getting cheap‑shotted, reacted, paid for it, and learned.
When did the personal performance team start, with you rolling deep into the facility?
The 2011 lockout pushed me to Nike’s setup and a performance director, and in Miami Dave Puloka helped me mesh individual work with team flow; treat players fairly, even if not exactly the same, and let tailored prep help you win.
Miami nitpicked your recovery gear while BA trusted vets and even let you take Fridays, which showed how caring for the man fuels the player.
Some coaches make rules just to flex, but Arians and Campbell respected pros, gave me what I needed, and that balance kept me present for family and peak on game day.
Your business brain changed how we think about money and opportunities.
Mentors poured into me, so I share the playbook, and when we move together, we can shift whole markets; BA even recruited me with straight talk that fit life and football.
Trap or treasure—rapid fire on athlete investments.
Restaurants with friends are mostly a trap unless a real chef plus operator runs it; nightlife and exotic cars are traps; handing family money without a plan is a trap, call it a gift if you do it; cash‑flowing commercial real estate is a treasure; NFTs and crypto can be a long‑game treasure; hire friends only when they’re true pros with clear roles; I favor equity over cash though outcomes vary; the power to say no is a treasure; dinner with me beats the bag if you’re prepared to use the knowledge; Pokémon cards—we’ll phone Gary Vee.
We appreciate you, bro—let’s jump on No Free Lunch soon, love to your family, and thanks for helping write our championship story.